Stop Making Should-Be Achievement Gear.."Optional Gear"

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Originally Posted by Talraen

I'm not going to comb through the EULA, but I think we've both made our points here. I do want to clarify that I have no issue with people complaining about the cash shop, or being unhappy with it. It just bothers me that people try to make it into an ethical argument. All that does is escalate things and divide people. I think we'd all be better off if we were just honest about what we want, particularly with ourselves.

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I want to look cute and dope AF, and I am willing to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

Not true. You mention that this is how it is with SE and yet, FFXI continued to release new holiday event items and with each passing event you were able to obtain them if you missed out, all without having to pay extra.

This isn't a Square Enix thing, it's a Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 thing.

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And how many previous story NPC costumes was made in XI for free?

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

I want to look cute and dope AF, and I am willing to pay for it.

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My sentiments too, pretty much. Nothing except the Far Eastern Matriarch gear has appealed to me on Mog store yet, so that's all I own. I think the WoW mounts are kinda underwhelming, so never bought those either. I don't get what's so hard about realizing that if you don't like stuff, don't buy it, and if the Mog store pisses you off on principle then you should either mass appeal to all the players in-game to boycott it in the hopes that these items will be added to in-game methods in the future, or just unsub and find a game that doesn't have microtransactions (GOOD LUCK, lel).

Way back when the store was introduced I even recall making a post saying, "this is your only chance to make sure this thing doesn't stick around, vote with your wallet and don't buy Odin even if you REALLY want it" then I logged in and saw like 50 people in Mor Dhona with it and realized idgaf, it works for f2p p2w crapfest games and it works here. People LOVE the opportunity to throw money at the screen to feel exclusive from others, whether it's cosmetics or Sword of Noob-beating+40. And given the prices on these items, it takes like half of them to pay what you're paying now, so of course the company is gonna follow where the money comes from.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

My sentiments too, pretty much. Nothing except the Far Eastern Matriarch gear has appealed to me on Mog store yet, so that's all I own. I think the WoW mounts are kinda underwhelming, so never bought those either. I don't get what's so hard about realizing that if you don't like stuff, don't buy it, and if the Mog store pisses you off on principle then you should either mass appeal to all the players in-game to boycott it in the hopes that these items will be added to in-game methods in the future, or just unsub and find a game that doesn't have microtransactions (GOOD LUCK, lel).

Way back when the store was introduced I even recall making a post saying, "this is your only chance to make sure this thing doesn't stick around, vote with your wallet and don't buy Odin even if you REALLY want it" then I logged in and saw like 50 people in Mor Dhona with it and realized idgaf, it works for f2p p2w crapfest games and it works here. People LOVE the opportunity to throw money at the screen to feel exclusive from others, whether it's cosmetics or Sword of Noob-beating+40. And given the prices on these items, it takes like half of them to pay what you're paying now, so of course the company is gonna follow where the money comes from.

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The issue with your post was the a huge majority who buy in the cash do not go on the forums. We are a very small portion of the game. The only time people come into the forums in droves is to mostly complain. So I can see why so many had the mount, but even if people did see the post they would have different opinions from your own. What you may see as unfair or over priced is not to others. As far as the Cash Shop goes...as long as it does not turn into actual content being sold (story, events, dungeons, raids, Etc.) or stronger gear, then I am fine with it. If that does happen then I will indeed join the Cash Shop rebels, but that line must be crossed first.

I came from wow and I am use to the cash shops. WoW forces you to pay for their story by buying crucial story plots. You want to know who Illidan is? Grab $150.00 because you are going to need to buy all 4 of the books (3 out of 4 are no longer published anymore), and Warcraft 3. If not then hope you enjoy trying to figure out what the twelve is going on.

Let's say for the sake of argument, SE keeps "removing" gears/emotes/whatevers from the in game drops/achievements/quests, then the value of your sub diminishes, and eventually you and other people will feel that the sub fee is no longer worth it, and leave the game. In that case SE will have to reevaluate what they should put in the base game to keep players subbed. You only need to evaluate the value of your sub fee against what's offered in the base game (excluding mogstation stuffs), if you think it's no longer worth it for you then the best thing for you to do would be unsubbing and finding a different game.

The fact that SE keeps adding those stuffs on mogstation means that it's profitable (many people buy them) while not really harming the number of subs (many people think what they get from the base game is still worth the sub fee). Will SE eventually go "too far" and put too many things on the mogstation while leaving the base game lacking? Maybe. Maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Person/s go to Theme/Rollercoaster Park: "I/we paid $60 a person to get in! What do you mean food and drink isn't free?! I HAVE to pay for merchandise as well?!? I HAVE to pay to play games?!? This is highway robbery!!"

The complaints about mogstation sound just as ridiculous to me as the above.

Just because you paid to get access doesn't mean there will not be any other charges.

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Alternatively,

Thank you for paying for your Netflix subscription this month. What would you like to watch? Breaking Bad? Please pay an additional $15 to watch this program.

Your example is pretty much as bad as it gets as you're comparing subscriptions to an entry to something plus additional unrelated products like food and or toys/apparel/etc. Of course additional products would cost more. No one wants to get FFXV for free because they pay for their XIV subscription. About the same relation as a theme park and its merchandise.

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Originally Posted by Alerion

Alternatively,

Thank you for paying for your Netflix subscription this month. What would you like to watch? Breaking Bad? Please pay an additional $15 to watch this program.

Your example is pretty much as bad as it gets as you're comparing subscriptions to an entry to something plus additional unrelated products like food and or toys/apparel/etc. Of course additional products would cost more. No one wants to get FFXV for free because they pay for their XIV subscription. About the same relation as a theme park and its merchandise.

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Uh, no. Netflix is a platform specifically to watch TV and movies, which promises a single price for unlimited access. Your example explicitly breaks that promise.

NPC outfits were never available in game. Are they not therefore "additional products" that would cost more?

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Originally Posted by Talraen

Uh, no. Netflix is a platform specifically to watch TV and movies, which promises a single price for unlimited access. Your example explicitly breaks that promise.

NPC outfits were never available in game. Are they not therefore "additional products" that would cost more?

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You missed the point by quite a bit. Comparing subscription based services to entry + actual, physical unrelated items is comparing apples to oranges. No, I do not consider in game items additional products. I do, however, consider the OST, plushies, tickets to fanfests and so on additional products.

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Originally Posted by Alerion

You missed the point by quite a bit. Comparing subscription based services to entry + actual, physical unrelated items is comparing apples to oranges. No, I do not consider in game items additional products. I do, however, consider the OST, plushies, tickets to fanfests and so on additional products.

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Well I consider some in game items additional products. I guess we're at an impasse!

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

but they're not in-game items if you can't get them in-game. :)

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This is an excellent point, lol

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Originally Posted by Alerion

Alternatively,

Thank you for paying for your Netflix subscription this month. What would you like to watch? Breaking Bad? Please pay an additional $15 to watch this program.

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Kind of a bad example, as netflix has tiers of subscriptions. The basic plan will not get you everything, if you want full access to their library, you gotta pay the extra fee for their dvd service :P


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actually, Netflix is a great example. They used to include everything in their sub fee, but once the powers that be realized the profit in splitting the two services, they removed features from the basic plan. You want streaming? $7.99. You want access to the DVD library? + $5.99