Are the DPS checks for Nidhogg EX excessive?

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Originally Posted by Rikku1987

Nidhogg is easiest HW primal so far. Minimum lvl to enter is enough, i think its something like 225.

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Everything in this patch was easier than they could've been.

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

While most people are talking big, i kinda curious, did any of you beat the SSS with ilvl 220 to back up your claims?

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Item level 220 SMN with bad rotation: https://youtu.be/308admiAz7g

Sephi weapon (i220), everything else prototype midan (i220) except one unupgraded lore ring (i230). No melds. No food, no potions, bad rotation and some mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

@KarstenS: Dont quote out of context please, maybe it clears things up a bit...

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Its not out of context. Your understanding was wrong.

If you would mean absolute damage numbers, you would be correct. Example: A mob has 1kk life and one is doing 750k of damage, the other can only do 250k damage. Correct.

But we are not talking about absolute damage. We are talking about damage per second. Thats a huge difference.

Back to the above example: both can do 1000dps, 1500 dps or 2000 dps, which would result in both doing 500k absolute damage out of the 1kk lifepool, till the mob is dead. Its just the amount of time, which would be different.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

I just like to say: the so called "weak" or (as you like to call them: afk) player, may do all right and still cant compare because the other one have taken some of his damage...
One Example from experience: BLM casting while MNK is killing the target before cast finished -> MNK getting all the honour for DPS and BLM is kicked for being lazy...
(Sidenote: I know some who said they do it on purpose and have fun when BLM could not cast, gives them an edge of thrill)

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That's weird and doesn't make sense.
In a real situation, They're both hitting the target at the same time. So they would be hitting 1000 DPS for whatever time it takes the target to die.

In your MNK and BLM comparison.
The only difference there is the way their damage is done, The MNK damages in small hits while the BLM does a big hit in the end of a cast.
So yes, If the MNK is strong enough to kill the target before the BLM finishes the cast, then the MNK will have a bigger DPS than the BLM simply because the BLM had 0 DPS.
But in savage and current raid content that will never happen. As there is ample time for both to do DPS.

One question though, what mob in a dungeon dies to a MNK before a BLM finishes their cast if they started at the same time?

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Originally Posted by Taika

This is a good idea!


SSS is meant for testing if the player is properly geared and knows their DPS rotation well enough to meet the minimum DPS check for any fight. It's meant to be completed without party buffs, food or potions. So if a DD player can't complete it, they simply don't have what it takes. And if they can't perform their rotation well enough on a non-moving target without any mechanics to worry about, how can they be expected to carry their weight in the actual fight? If they're failing at 1%, at least they don't have to improve a lot.

So I agree with this person:

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I failed it at 1% on my first attempt and that was back before I had most of the my 230 stuff, (I also messed up my rotation a bit because I forgot to put hotshot and leadshot back up, I haven't tried it since then. I'm in half 230 half 240 melded now.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

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Originally Posted by hagare

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Maybe i should do some videos...
Still, i am not here to prove anything, just saying how it is.

I am not talking from "Momentum", but "real" Fights till the end. (Savage as example)

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Originally Posted by ErryK

None of them have been blocked, except back in 3.0 where Ravana EX was blocked behind Bismarck EX, however all recent EXs (Thordan, Sephirot, and Nidhogg) are separate from each other. You don't need to complete one to unlock the other, not since 2.3 where they split Garuda/Ifrit/Titan EX from the 2.2 primals, then 2.5 where they started splitting the EX's to not be locked behind Mog EX and Levi EX.

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Good because Nidhogg Ex is really boring. Bad design fight, static mechanics with no pace, and an artificial pseudo dps check to see if you know your rotation. Nothing good in this fight.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Maybe i should do some videos...
Still, i am not here to prove anything, just saying how it is.

I am not talking from "Momentum", but "real" Fights till the end. (Savage as example)

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sigh........
you might be confusing damage done with damage per second.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Maybe i should do some videos...
Still, i am not here to prove anything, just saying how it is.

I am not talking from "Momentum", but "real" Fights till the end.

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Your point is not being misunderstood. Total damage in the end will be slightly different depending on DPS contribution.
There is a finite amount and certain DPS classes with slightly higher encounter ceilings will make up a larger percentage on that.

However, that doesn't exclude the fact that there are such things as low and high dps thresholds for each class/job.

Whether looking at total damage or a fraction of it (damage per second), the result is the same. Low damage (DPS or total) is typically a result of a bad rotation, bad mechanic handling, or a sad combination of the two.

I still can't get a clear for Nidhogg EX - the learning parties I join never get past the adds because of the DPS checks and mechanics (mostly I think it's mechanics) but there's always 1 add left alive before Eggnog fires his "F-U beam of rage"

I don't have, nor do I want to join a static because I don't have the time committed to getting on at certain hours due to my career and the fact that my marriage comes before a game and I don't like people raging out and yelling at others because of a wipe or something dumb like that. I joined this game to escape that mentality but unfortunately it has been seeping its way into this game.

I could pay the 30m for a group to clear me, but it defeats the purpose and I want 2 weapons from that dungeon and nothing more. There's no guarantee that any of those weapons will drop in the fight. I'd rather learn and clear the fight and get good so I can eventually do farms and help others in my situation learn the fights as well. It's just that it's too bad we are dealing more with an abundance of rage quitters and elitist players. So I guess that my problems are Elitism, laziness and raging players who blow a head gasket at literally nothing.

There are "learning parties" but more times than not (9/10) we'll wipe once or twice, have that one guy say "f**k this" and then rage quit, like they were expecting to be carried and this was gonna go down seamlessly. My Blacklist has seen more aforementioned players these days than any gil sellers. At least when gil sellers spam you, their automated messages are more pleasant to read that some of the venomous rhetoric as of late...