How likely is Alex savage to be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

The only people I can see really spearheading a call to nerf Savage are the 'hardcore raiders' who can't clear it for lack of trying to learn how.

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That's a larger group, probably by an order of magnitude, than the population that will have cleared Savage by 3.2.

The content currently designed for that group? Bismarck and Ravana Extreme. There's a chance they'll get one more trial in 3.1, but that's likely to be all they get until at least 3.2.

SE may decide that adding echo to Savage is a superior option, from a design standpoint, than creating additional content geared at that level of challenge. Especially since there's a good chance that A3S and A4S with echo will probably still be more difficult than A7N and A8N.

I won't be surprised at all if the next round of alex comes with the first four floors of alex savage being added to DF and given echo.

People are comparing it to Coil Savage - which is understandable because of the names, but the situation is entirely different.

While they might put Alexander Savage onto the DF, it'll probably be like Coil Savage and require a Full Party to be able to do it at all. I also don't see why it would/should get the Echo (or nerfs). It has no storyline and only exists for the i210 gear, which would only benefit people doing Alexander Savage... which I'm sure would annoy those who may be late in doing Savage or still working on AS3 or AS4 (while you can turn Echo off, you'd have to remove it after every wipe).

Echo does seem very likely, although I sincerely doubt there will be nerfs explicitly made to mechanics.

they gave coil echo that unskiled people can experience the story

since they can do that in alex nm there is zero need to nerf savage alex

I hope Alexander savage will never be nerfed. There are Alexander Normal Mode if people can't do Alex savage. You can give echo during EX primals but please, don't touch Alexander savage. It's fine as it is.

The problem is not the difficulty is the amount of people available to do it and willing to learn it. That is all. You don't require any special skill abilities to do it just have a good memory. There's a few people that cleared the whole thing and already feel like better than others. Deluded morons.

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Originally Posted by Mature

The problem is not the difficulty is the amount of people available to do it and willing to learn it. That is all. You don't require any special skill abilities to do it just have a good memory. There's a few people that cleared the whole thing and already feel like better than others. Deluded morons.

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You're really calling people morons because they were able to achieve something few have ever done? It's not as simple as having a good memory, the majority of players playing FFXIV likely couldn't even put out enough DPS for Bismarck, let alone Savage Alexander. Forming a team and leading them also plays into the difficulty.

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Originally Posted by zosia

You will likely see some nerfs before 3.2 and here is why.

You can even tell from the tone of the director's letter that yoshida was and might still be concerned about alex savage difficulty.

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To be honest, people don't put effort in it. You don't master your rotation? Instead of chasing Naul (yes Naul) take 30 mins and go train. You're dying to easy mechanics on A1S? Ask yourself why you're being fooled more than 3 times.
You don't need to spend 10 hours a week on it. You can be uber casual and still progress. But if you're lazy, or can't prioritize anything, or just a fool of course you won't progress.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

You're really calling people morons because they were able to achieve something few have ever done? It's not as simple as having a good memory, the majority of players playing FFXIV likely couldn't even put out enough DPS for Bismarck, let alone Savage Alexander. Forming a team and leading them also plays into the difficulty.

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I know a few people that have cleared A3S and their attitude stinks. The problem is not clearing the "hard" stuff in the game is the post attitude they acquired. They become (not the majority) mute , rude don't participate in fc activities ls chats being helpful etc. Why is that? Because somehow they put in their deluded brain that they are better than others cause they managed to cleared something that others haven't.

Savage is not hard is just a question of remembering the fight. They fights are like a dance you follow it and you get it sorted.