Astrologian Needs Changes

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

I don't think, given their current potency, AST would be OP if given the ability to switch between Dirunal and Nocturnal Sect. It would increase the skill ceiling, give them added versatility and viability. I don't think it would effect them much in 8-man content, especially when paired with a SCH.

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I feel like they'd have to rebalance the sects in that case because you'd only want to pop into Di to apply regens, and then switch back to Noct for the 5% healing potency on Benefic/Benefic II. Or they'd have to give more skills differences in sects, since currently only 3 skills have differences and all 3 are inferior in Noct.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

I feel like they'd have to rebalance the sects in that case because you'd only want to pop into Di to apply regens, and then switch back to Noct for the 5% healing potency on Benefic/Benefic II. Or they'd have to give more skills differences in sects, since currently only 3 skills have differences and all 3 are inferior in Noct.

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Dirunal could easily be the "DPS" stance, given the 5% haste; Nocturnal would easily be the "healing" stance since it gains 5% potency on Bene I/II. It may need minor tweaks, but I hardly think it'd be OP in the given form as some people are claiming it would be.

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

Dirunal could easily be the "DPS" stance, given the 5% haste; Nocturnal would easily be the "healing" stance since it gains 5% potency on Bene I/II. It may need minor tweaks, but I hardly think it'd be OP in the given form as some people are claiming it would be.

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It wouldn't be OP because the only benefit Noct gives over Di is the potency boost, which would put its base healing on-par with SCH/WHM which isn't OP at all. So you'd basically just be Di AST with 5% stronger healing sometimes.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

AST's "SCH" stance is missing the fairy and its skills + the ability to buff throughput + the mana management + the utility of Supervirus/E4E/Energy Drain/Bane, with the assumption that your Benefic II being equal to Cure II will cover it....which it doesn't because it just makes the fact that the subpar mana management is there even worse. Shields also can't crit.

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More predictable "why don't I have everything scholar has" while ignoring everything that you do have - like the fact that your stolen version of adlo is instant cast and costs 70% of the mp.

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

I don't think, given their current potency, AST would be OP if given the ability to switch between Dirunal and Nocturnal Sect. It would increase the skill ceiling, give them added versatility and viability. I don't think it would effect them much in 8-man content, especially when paired with a SCH.

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Except you would step on the scholars toes because your shield overwrites ours even if its weaker.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

More predictable "why don't I have everything scholar has" while ignoring everything that you do have - like the fact that your stolen version of adlo is instant cast and costs 70% of the mp.

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What does AST have over SCH? Card buffs? They don't increase DPS more than SCH's ability to Cleric Stance and DPS.

Most of Adlo's usefulness is in the crit shield being doubled. The shield itself is barely worth it on a SCH without the crit and usually only if a tank buster is coming.

I agree with the creater of this thread. I hope SE will remove the random part of Astrologian, because the only advantage particularity (I cant call card system an advantage cuz for now it doesn't give any real advantage) of this job is fully random! You can do the whole fight without seeing The Balance even once! The best if the Draw lets us choose from 3 random cards the one we want at this moment (It's an example! It can be anything that can remove complete rng of the card system).
I did the HW content with all 3 healers and I can say for sure that to do the same dungeons with WHM or SCH is 3 (!!!) times easier after you healed your heart out in these dungeons with Astro...Nothing to compare. I'm sad, i really like Astro, but SCH and WHM are too good in comparison and too easy to do their job (heal + good dps). Of course you CAN do all content with Astro! But it never be as easy for your team as with SCH + WHM.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

What does AST have over SCH? Card buffs? They don't increase DPS more than SCH's ability to Cleric Stance and DPS.

Most of Adlo's usefulness is in the crit shield being doubled. The shield itself is barely worth it on a SCH without the crit and usually only if a tank buster is coming.

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Which is exactly why they should work on Ast's cards instead of handing them more of our stuff.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

Which is exactly why they should work on Ast's cards instead of handing them more of our stuff.

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Which means Noct Stance will remain useless, their healing will remain sub-par compared to WHM/SCH, and your strongest asset is left to RNG.

SE made AST to be able to take on the role of either a WHM or a SCH, but you can only take on one in any instance and don't even fulfill the role as well which is pointless because why would I bother going AST when I can already choose between WHM or SCH by leveling that class? Healing as an AST is exactly like healing as a WHM except without all the tools a WHM has and a buff every 30 seconds that doesn't help your healing at all.

Also nobody asked for your aetherflow, your lustrates, your fairy abilities, or your DoT spreading ability. Newsflash: AST already has shields. They are useless because without all the other tools SCH has a shield is awful compared to regen.

Maybe I should dip you in chocolate, cuz I love salty and sweet things.

Gotta love the salts hahaha.