Holy and Flare diminishing returns nerf

Ouch. No longer worth the mana now. :S

So basically it took us 8 pages to go from "OMG this is the worst thing EVAH!" to "Oh, nothing's really changing at all, we just preemptively reacted."

It's a new record XD

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Ouch. No longer worth the mana now. :S

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still is. still the most powerful spell besides assize. the buff only makes mass pulls >6 mobs a little more tedious.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

still is. still the most powerful spell besides assize. the buff only makes mass pulls >6 mobs a little more tedious.

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Still more powerful than Assize unless you're pulling 11 mobs, which would be 4 packs.

Still is worth it imo.

50% of 260 potency is still good when you put in perspective where you hit ALL the mobs around the target. Not to mention the ley lines thingy. You have to cast FLare inside so it'll be augmented or whatever it does. So the nerf was reasonable.

Holy nerf was needed as it provides an AOE 6 seconds stun lock with it too.

Not worth it. Very stupid changes. I will just take a Dragoon instead. <3

At least I can say: "I told you so."

These changes, plus the experience changes are horrible, horrible game design choices. They are taking away what made the game.. "Fun" why have 2.5 GCDs when the spells are not even powerful?

Flare, should be taken off your hot-bar.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

Still is worth it imo.

50% of 260 potency is still good when you put in perspective where you hit ALL the mobs around the target. Not to mention the ley lines thingy. You have to cast FLare inside so it'll be augmented or whatever it does. So the nerf was reasonable.

Holy nerf was needed as it provides an AOE 6 seconds stun lock with it too.

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Ley lines is just cast speed, has no effect on flares damage.

And 130 potency for all of my mana is little for a lot.

They could extend the stun to 10s for all anyone cares, if you spam it you quickly burn out it's effectiveness as the mobs build resistance. Holy was never meant to be spammed, it was intended as 'one and run', like Fluid Aura.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Still more powerful than Assize unless you're pulling 11 mobs, which would be 4 packs.

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How? Assize is 300 potency without diminishing returns. Holy is 200 for just the first enemy and goes down from there.

Assize is definitely more powerful, but it has a 90s recast timer so it's not a replacement.

If you take into consideration Aero 3 and Assize, then on moderate pulls (5-6 targets) the WHM total AoE potency hasn't changed much. I suspect it's the same with the BLM.

Wait...does Aero 3 put the DoT up on all the targets it hit, or only on the current target?

(A) Cast Aero 3 on T1, hits T1+T2+T3+T4, and all T1~T4 gets DoT; or
(B) Cast Aero 3 on T1, hits T1+T2+T3+T4, but only T1 gets the DoT.

I wonder which one it is.

EDIT: on second thought, it looks like it may even be a net buff with Assize...