New SB limitations - facts

The end result is that people can't benefit from super fast sb gains by switching to lowbie sb gear in high level dungeons.

Which was a much more serious problem than that which the OP is even close to being comparative.

Now you must wear the gear the dungeon was designed for, to get SB. What a novel concept!

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

0.3% increase per "Spiritbond Gain +1"

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With what level gear, on what level mobs, HQ or NQ, and how many melds? Spiritbond Gain isn't a fixed percentage.

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Originally Posted by Manuka

I think I just discovered something new. The increased rates that I listed earlier get reduced dramatically if you form a party :/

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It was like this before, chocobo added about 40% more kills required to fully SB an item vs solo.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

With what level gear, on what level mobs, HQ or NQ, and how many melds? Spiritbond Gain isn't a fixed percentage.

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I've not done a bunch of testing regarding the impact of NQ, HQ and melded gear. However, last week I did a full set of i55 mining left side (except tool) and all pieces were NQ except pants HQ. I added 3 tier 1 materia to all of the NQ pieces and 2 tier 1 materia to the HQ piece. Potion was not used (didn't grind the full 100% all at one time) but FC action was up and I had SB +4 on rings. The result was everything took exactly the same amount of time to fully SB.

It appears as if the difference between HQ and NQ is a nearly identical rate to having materia 1 materia attached. Not sure if what tier materia used makes a difference since I was just using the cheapest stuff I had since I knew I was going to convert as soon as it hit 100%.

HQ, and each materia, adds 20% to spiritbond rate. +Spiritbond Gain does not give a percentage, but a fixed number. If you're getting 25 "SB Points," then that +3 is huge, if you're getting 200, not so much. Meteor rings were always great for bonding ilvl55 gear on water sprites, but not for bonding lowbie gear. I haven't tested them since the patch, so I can't say how they work now.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

The end result is that people can't benefit from super fast sb gains by switching to lowbie sb gear in high level dungeons.

Which was a much more serious problem than that which the OP is even close to being comparative.

Now you must wear the gear the dungeon was designed for, to get SB. What a novel concept!

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Thats exactly why they have patched it now, but:
I fear we will have many more forced speedruns and unpolite players on lower dungeons while abuse of kickvote increases...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Thats exactly why they have patched it now, but:
I fear we will have many more forced speedruns and unpolite players on lower dungeons while abuse of kickvote increases...

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not necesseraly, since they need to be geared with the gears adapted to said dungeon that puts them at the same level as others, so I doubt very much that speedruns will happen that much, which would be the case if they had overgeared stuff in a lower dungeon, me think there will be far less abuse of anything if they want to SB their crafted stuff....but maybe I see it wrong.

Mei

So what was the change related to i70 crafted gear exactly?

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Originally Posted by Coatl

So what was the change related to i70 crafted gear exactly?

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i70 gear no longer has a 100% chance of yielding IV materia. i90 doesn't either.

All these numbers you guys are getting for rate of binding, are these with or without the spiritbind potion and/or the FC action?

So what is the concluded "ideal" range?
Someone mentioned that items within 10 levels of the area bonded at some absurd rate...

So lets say we use a crafted I70 as an example.
Would that be ideal to bind in an I60 dungeon (Pharos, Haukke Hard, Copperbell Hard), an I70 Dungeon (Lost City, Bray Hard, Hali Hard), or an I80 Dungeon (Hullbreaker, TTD Hard, Vigil Hard)?