For those that keep asking "Why the **** do you play on PS3!?!?"

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Half the problem with people playing games like this is about 25% of the gaming community is technological smart (builds their own pc's, can write computer programs and app's for phones etc etc), and the other 75% does work in life where they don't know much about technology but are 100% dependent on it.

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Did you know that 94% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

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Originally Posted by Ryios

When I encounter people lagging badly, and moving funny, I try to help them configure their stuff better, but am generally met with "This is how I like to play, the server's lagging not me (partially true but not 100% true), don't tell me how to play the game etc etc so I just give up and run with people who don't lag and tell me they play with WAS and the mouse to move the camera"

PS3 and PS4 basically are PC's. They are computers in closed boxes with controlled hardware and a customized OS. That's all they are. Except said closed box is old enough that current PC's Blow them Away.

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Exactly mate. Its no wonder why mmo's are going down the gurgler. The ppl in this thread are testimony to that. " dont need vent " " dont tell me how to .." " i do what i want " ....etc

NO YOU WILL NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT if you run with me in hard content. You either use vent to hear whats going on so we dont waste time or you dont play with me.
When i played wow, it was our requirement. No vent, no raid....Why should it be any different in any progressional mmo?
I say hi in a dungeon, you remain silent and clearly have no idea what you are doing...I try to explain, you keep doing it, i leave, find another tank...

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Originally Posted by Skullcrusher

Exactly mate. Its no wonder why mmo's are going down the gurgler. The ppl in this thread are testimony to that. " dont need vent " " dont tell me how to .." " i do what i want " ....etc

NO YOU WILL NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT if you run with me in hard content. You either use vent to hear whats going on so we dont waste time or you dont play with me.
When i played wow, it was our requirement. No vent, no raid....Why should it be any different in any progressional mmo?
I say hi in a dungeon, you remain silent and clearly have no idea what you are doing...I try to explain, you keep doing it, i leave, find another tank...

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To be fair, this ain't WoW. Also the reverse could be said as well about why MMOs are in the 'gurgler'. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Aerostein

To be fair, this ain't WoW. Also the reverse could be said as well about why MMOs are in the 'gurgler'. Just saying.

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Actually to that specific point was why, in the old days, Horde used to roflstomp Alliance in PvP. Horde would communicate, Alliance would say, "Dont tell me what to do." at every turn lol.

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Originally Posted by LovelessG

Even with the new PS4 it will still have a HDD installed. Which is why I already got my SSD ready to install into my Ps4 the moment I get it.

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SSDs produce a very minimal gain and depending on the brand, you may see no performance gain at all - SSDs almost qualify for myth status since they are generally held up as some form of mystical talisman to ward off poor HDD performance. There are only a few seconds for the cutscene loads, spending money on an SSD (which will be smaller than the HDD I have in my PS3 anyway, is not high on the list of things to do.

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Originally Posted by mindful

Game is ok on the ps3 to play, but just that people on the cpu do Got advantage. You can SSDD ,but why spend more money on one when ps4 around the corner. With direct 11 and a new client for cpu and ps4 players.

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Because you can install and SSD into the Ps3 and then turn around and install it into the Ps4. Since the Ps4 is still going to use a HDD when it comes out. Doing that on your Ps3 will help with your load times greatly and put you on par with PC players as far as load times go. ]

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Originally Posted by Rivienne

I can't to do voice chat, be it on PC or PS3. If it is needed, count me out. Same reason I don't allow talking in a car if I am driving. I can talk, listen, or actually focus on what I am doing. Don't ask me to do all three at the same time or my ability to do all of them will be compromised.

Also, I often find myself with amazingly good PS3 players. Some of the best players I have come across are on PS3. Some of the worst I have come across are also on PS3. Sadly I think the problem is people already have a bias going in, and see the bad ones, and automatically assume it proves their bias.

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I... am not sure why you quoted me.

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Originally Posted by mindful

As a console gamer for the last 35 years yes i played the intellivision (astrosmash), pong, and atari(pitfall) I Play on PS3 also. *snip*
1) No sugar coating. Flaws are takes to long for mobs to pop up on fates,
2)skipping CS still takes 3 second longer then the cpu players.
3)The PSN network causes additional lag that effects the game more then the pc players.
4)Do to the design flaw in the game with .3 second delay out of red circles.
5)Ps3 players seem to be afraid of using any 3rd party voice chat systems. I use them all from xbl,TS,Vent,Mumble,skype,raid call and the KB.

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I split your post into it's main points to make it easier to answer...

1. Mobs can take time to pop on PC as well, this is not a PS3 flaw. Slow appearance of any mobs in any environment, and especially during FATE is down to server lag, and drawing priority - as has been explicitly recognized by SE in the changes they are making to the drawing priority and culling - especially for Odin and Behemoth.
2. Skipping a cutscene takes 3 seconds longer...whoa, shocking, and not entirely unique to PS3. If that's your only concern about the PS3, you better check the CS load times on all but high end PCs.
3. PSN LAG? That's a completely false statement. PSN causes ZERO additional lag. PSN is used during the initial authentication process and launching of the game. After that, your PS3 talks to SEs servers, PSN is not involved at all.
4. The game position checks every 0.3 seconds. Just looking at nominal Internet lag you are going to see anything from 0.2s and up just from router hops. Doing a position check more often than 0.3 seconds would generate more network traffic, but do nothing to cure the lag when escaping an AoE. Try jumping as soon as you leave the circle, any action you perform once you move informs the server of your position at the time, so leave the AoE and jump. Alternately leave the AoE faster.
5. Believe it or not, a very many players have no desire to use voice chat. It's also true to say that my Free Company has many players actively playing end-game and they do not use voice-chat, and yet they have no problems completing runs, or participating in speed runs. Frankly, I don't want to listen to some self important manchild wailing over the voice chat trying to tell me what to do and then abusing me if I don't comply. If people know their job (and most of the people speed running and FATE grinding have NO clue how to play) and talk before starting things, they understand the strategy, and if they play their jobs and know each other, they know what to expect from their team mates. Communication via a keyboard is entirely viable, and very effective - it also means that no one has to juxtaposition my entirely male voice with my entirely female avatar.

None of the things you raise have any impact. It always comes back to three things;

Player skill matters more,
Define your strategy before starting anything,
and last haters are gonna hate, so what can you do?

SSD is not a solution to anything with this game, promoting those things as a solution is like promoting snake oil as a cure for the common cold.

Lastly, "cpu players"? What, you play with AI players? Or do you mean PC players? Technically PS3 has a CPU of course, so I guess we could all be cpu players.

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Originally Posted by Marael

and then there is paying hundreds, perhaps thousands of dollars on a computer I don't need, or even really want.

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You didn't need a PS3 either. And the money for a PS3 could have gone to a computer that is far better than a PS3. It doesn't cost thousands of dollars for a PC that can run anything on the market with flying colors.

With that said though, if someone has a PS3 already and doesn't have the money to upgrade their computer(or just isn't a computer person), then it's their choice to play it on a console. You just have to have the understanding that it IS inferior to the alternative. Can you still play and do well? Absolutely. But it shouldn't be a shock that others can't even fathom it considering the massive step up a computer is.

I believe this has been said before, and maybe in this thread....not reading it all. I wont question why you play on the console as I welcome the added player base(as long as the psn isn't xXDarkKnight420Xx lol) just don't blame any shortcomings on the ps3 like not dodging an aoe or being able to do....well much of anything.