Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

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Originally Posted by Jaeifer

Hold your horses before you jump into any gear buying fits though.

In A4S the legs don't have a front nor flank, normal accuracy rules don't apply here.
(I havent missed at all with 490 accuracy as BLM. => The legs have no/marginal accuracy requirements.)

Unless you're on final phase you won't really know the requirements.

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I've missed with 537 (usually every run I tried 537 I'd miss once or twice), on the legs, so you've just either had very little time as 490 ACC testing or you're quite lucky. 540 hasn't ever missed over hours.

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Originally Posted by Minorinz

We need a smn dps leaderboard or something

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Comps are way too varied for this to even matter. Doubly so if AST gets mega buffed in 3.06 or 3.1.

DPS leaderboards in general are pretty dumb, and I say this as someone who tries my best to do the most DPS I can.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Comps are way too varied for this to even matter. Doubly so if AST gets mega buffed in 3.06 or 3.1.

DPS leaderboards in general are pretty dumb, and I say this as someone who tries my best to do the most DPS I can.

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They are rather pointless. Even with the same composition, numbers could be wildly different because of the performance/gear of the other members, strategies utilized, and so forth. That said, it is a bit fun to compete, even if it's ultimately proving nothing.

Personally, having a leaderboard for Final Coil helped me "stay in shape" once everything was on farm; it's easy to get sloppy when your playtime changes from several hours several nights a week to an hour once a week.

Well when reporting ur parse you actually link ur comp, then the parse basically speaks for you. I've seen smn parses being extremely high meanwhile the party's overall dps was low. That tells me that the smn got an advantage there. Seeing AST/AST should be obvious, double bards etc.. The point is With the conditions given how high can you get in that very instance. It's interesting.

I was wondering if anyone can help. I have read this and other smn guides out there yet I can only parse at about 1167 at my best for a 2:30 min dummy parse to mimic faust fight. I am being told that i should be doing 100 to 150 more and I can't figure out for the life of me where I'm messing up.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2192465/ Current gear

What you should see is if your crit % is average or not.

For instance, during the 2:40, you will get 3 Deathflares.

If for instance, all 3 do not crit, you've instantly lost 75 dps. Indeed, the chances of all 3 not critting are actually better than not.

Similarly, for Fester (though you do 3x as many festers, so it will equalize better to your average parse).

So I've been working on A3 Savage with my group (which has a bard and a ninja) and altered my opener again to what I think is the best:

Bio II ~ [Obey (while casting)] --> Miasma ~ Aerial Slash --> Bio --> Swiftcast ~ Fester --> Shadowflare --> Rouse ~ Spur --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 2 --> Raging Strikes --> Drac Potion --> Painflare --> Fester --> Aetherflow ~ Dreadwyrm Trance --> Tri-Disaster ~ Enkindle [trick attack falls off at the buzzer here] --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 3 --> Ruin 2 (depending on size of balls) --> Fester ~ Deathflare [cuts dreadwyrm a GCD early but clips the drac pot at the buzzer] (i basically ripped this off sleigh) [Contagion right after deathflare] --> Ruin 3 spam (non dread) ~ Aerial Slash #2--> Fester --> *depends* slowcast shadowflare *depends* --> ruin 3 spam until around 4-5k mp --> refresh dots as they fall off --> fester the last time at some point before aetherflow is off cd (preferably 10-20 sec before its off cd)

*i don't slowcast shadowflare in the A3 Savage opener, I just spam ruin 3 / ruin 2 when moving

the way I do it revolves a lot around trick attack and the battle voiced Foe's Requiem in the background. hitting the dreadwyrm tri-disaster while trick attack + buffed foe's is active is the top priority.

for reference I'm ilvl 196.

This opener comes from watching my DPS in early a3 savage attempts on my stream, where I noticed that somehow one time I broke 2100+ burst in the opener around the time I hit deathflare. In all the other runs I'd only hit 1700 - 1800, and that would be with an amazing crit rate. Yet in that single 2100+ attempt I had a much worse crit rate compared to an average run (like 15-17% compared to 23-25%), and ran away from the group early, totally missing Fey Wind. (this is referring to a different run than what I linked below)

The only real difference in that older 2100+ run was that right after I entered dreadwyrm I happened to hit Tri-Disaster right away. Usually I cast Ruin III as I enter it as a sort of buffer to give me a second to think and then go Tri-Disaster + Enkindle. Then I noticed that my Tri-Disaster in that run just barely clipped trick attack as it fell off and that made the huge difference in damage.

All I can say is that if you have a ninja in your group don't do that ruin 2 filler crap in between raging / potion or painflare / fester. If you do you'll miss the trick attack window for the super buffed *raging + pot + dreadwyrm* Tri-Disaster which apparently is worth an exponential amount of DPS when it all connects. Hitting the exact same buffed Tri-Disaster a GCD after Trick Attack falls off is actually a really huge loss.

Here's a highlight from tonight illustrating what I'm talking about. Notice how I have almost no time to apply Tri-Disaster as our ninja's Trick Attack falls off:

https://youtu.be/kdHZXAq5mfo

12% crit rate. nice game

I go with 1 fester/ed/pf opener to get aetherflow asap, that only applies on A3, it syncs perfectly with tridisaster timings for every trick attack afterwards (used on the hand after the first wash away immediately, then on the higher % hand of pain dps check) I've broken a 2.2k burst at i198 and 1900 regularly with no pot on opener. Best was 2.4k with a pot. During the first trick attack I time tridisaster + the first fester.

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Originally Posted by Azmaria

I was wondering if anyone can help. I have read this and other smn guides out there yet I can only parse at about 1167 at my best for a 2:30 min dummy parse to mimic faust fight. I am being told that i should be doing 100 to 150 more and I can't figure out for the life of me where I'm messing up.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2192465/ Current gear

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May I know which pet you're using? And do you compare your dps parse on dummy without food and party buff to someone's dps on faust (single target parse) with full party buff and food?
My dps on dummy (using Ifrit) for 2:30min is just a little bit higher than yours, however on faust with full party buff (drg cri buff and bard foe + voice) and food, I can pull around 1300+ dps.

I don't have a NIN or BRD so my only limiting factor is Litany in my opener, thus I can just do a regular opening in A3S. I do save Enkindle for Pain check, you only get one Enkindle in first phase so might as well hit two enemies with it I think. Usually end up just under 1400 as of phase transition from hands > tornado phase, pre-i210 chest but otherwise I've got some gear otherwise including i210 legs. If only SMN wasn't doo-doo in add phase, it'd look as good on a parser as it has the potential to be (inb4 people spend their CDs to make it not doo-doo and don't save them for Pepsiman).

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

All I can say is that if you have a ninja in your group don't do that ruin 2 filler crap in between raging / potion or painflare / fester. If you do you'll miss the trick attack window for the super buffed *raging + pot + dreadwyrm* Tri-Disaster which apparently is worth an exponential amount of DPS when it all connects. Hitting the exact same buffed Tri-Disaster a GCD after Trick Attack falls off is actually a really huge loss.

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Yeah definitely. Some quick, loose napkin math on 3D ...

870 potency by itself. 1420 with Contagion.

If you have TA, Foe's, Litany, Pot, RS, and DWT up you can see the relative DPS increase of it:

1420 X 1.1 (TA) X 1.2 (BV Foe's) X 1.08 (Litany) X 1.1ish (Pot) X 1.2 (RS) X 1.1 (DWT) = 2938 potency, roughly, depending on the value of Litany/Pot you wanna label them as. Pretty close to 24k+ damage for this one little oGCD. If you miss a buff you lose out on hundreds of potency per missed one, so whatever you have to do to get your TA, you should probably do it.

I go all out on pain check, bane and all that fuss. The opener burst is so good lol. Anyway.

Anyone broke 1300 with garuda at i198? here's my parse for ifrit with the opener burst shown: http://i.imgur.com/XbhXOFH.jpg