Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

Interesting list of video games and LGBT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_video_games

Square Enix has already had its name in there before - do it again SE. A bunch of American companies are making you look slow :P

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Please stay mad.

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See, normally when people have their arguments shot down, they either own up and amend their argument or respond with a rebuttal. Accusing people of being mad when they're clearly not just makes it look like you're deflecting.

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Originally Posted by Terri

I heard something on the radio today, and thought I'd share it. I don't know if this was posted but like hell I'm reading 86 pages. I read up to 30 and stopped cause of people just whining for Yoshi-P to add it and nobody realizing that even now STILL its a TOUCHY issue and a PR nightmare for such a large company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ri...y_or_territory

Here. Read the page, look at the charts. This is enough to make them not want to implement it and have to deal with a lot of bull from other countries. It's not even recognized in Japan, just not illegal ( heck much of the USA still doesn't even recognize it). They just wanna add something for fun and people cry cause they think they're being left out, when they don't realize all the crap SE could possibly get to make a small % of the player base happy, since we can only see the number of likes supporting it in this thread. Plus, they aren't exactly "restricting" it between real LGBT couples since you are free to choose a gender (and now re-choose) that isn't your own anyway. So if it matters that much just change. Don't make them ruin something fun for something you know is still a very delicate subject.

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What, so when people who want them to allow same gender couples speak up, they're whining and complaining about something they want; but when people who don't want them to allow gays to marry speak up, they're not doing anything wrong?

This could be a PR nightmare whether they allow characters of the same gender to marry or not, and just telling people to change their character's gender if they don't like it isn't a solution. You can't change the gender of your character at will, and it's unreasonable to expect people to roll brand new characters any time they can't marry someone.

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Originally Posted by Terri

And for the record, I have nothing against LGBT couples, and have many friends who are homosexual or transgender. I just am tired of seeing people pull the discrimination card for something like marriage in a video game.

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Do us all a favor and do not ever try to justify your arguments by hiding behind your LGBT friends. Being friends with someone does not automatically mean you have their best interests at heart, or that you completely understand the issues pertaining to their lives, and waving your relationship with them around like it's a free pass to say whatever you like just makes you seem incredibly insensitive.

Okay? Okay.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

See, normally when people have their arguments shot down, they either own up and amend their argument or respond with a rebuttal. Accusing people of being mad when they're clearly not just makes it look like you're deflecting.

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Please stay mad little one. Because there was no argument to begin with, so your point is invalid. :)

Edit: Oh, also there is an edit button. Look into it, no need to double post.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Please stay mad little one.

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Ha! Sure thing, hun. You're just trolling yourself at this point.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

What, so when people who want them to allow same gender couples speak up, they're whining and complaining about something they want; but when people who don't want them to allow gays to marry speak up, they're not doing anything wrong?

This could be a PR nightmare whether they allow characters of the same gender to marry or not, and just telling people to change their character's gender if they don't like it isn't a solution. You can't change the gender of your character at will, and it's unreasonable to expect people to roll brand new characters any time they can't marry someone.

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Not to mention many here have suggested ways in which they could avoid the "PR nightmare".

1. Change the name of marriage to something else (for everyone).

2. Allow it to be more player driven by simply giving us the means to do it ourselves.

3. Phrase the removal of the restriction completely differently so that you don't have to actually take a stance. Saying that you're simply allowing all players to marry instead of allowing same sex marriage is neutral enough of a statement.

Hell if you want to be really cowardly about it, just "forget" to implement the restriction in the system and then never go back to add it. I really don't care how they do it at this point lol.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Well my boyfriend plays a female character.. and so do I.. it would suck a lot if they chose no.....

I'm sure I'm not the only one in this type of situation.

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i totally got the same issue in FF11 :O now he (my bf o.x) is a highlander, but he tends to become a female galka >.>' then we have the same problem again in ARR -.- pls :O if people love it each other, isn't that all that matter? what is so wrong with expressing that to the outside world in a game world =( (therefore i say i am a female and my irl boyfriend is...well... male :\ )

everyone has his pro and cons to stuff in the world. like some people like spiders, and some people rather see a world without them- that doesn't mean that people who dislike spiders should be listen to and all the spider be round up :| as for more sensitive subjects like some people rather see someone else suffer (physically)- we all know that isn't right but if someone gets hurt by hurting their feelings (mentally)- that person (which is hurt) has the right and the choice to look the other way.

so if there are people out there who are against same sex marriage based on (mental) believes; just shut your eyes, turn around and walk away. no need to feel hurt if you can just 'walk away' from it. some things in this world are 'allowed' based on ethical decisions. Even if the entire SQEX staff is against this, minus 1 or 2, if the ethical voice of 'everyone is the same and needs to be treated the same', what can they possibly begin. if SQEX wants to be traditional, it will make the marriage a private happening, like in 11- so anyone who feels the need to object, can just turn down the invitation.

or... because it is just a game- people might also just tag along and see a different world (thereby i mean the same world from a different perspective).

i hope i don't discourage anyone with what i am saying, and i don't want to start a new '80's feeling like 'everyone should love each other'. it is just that i think and know everyone is that same- 'we bleed the same' so, please SQEX and everyone else who has doubts or objections; we live in one world, with one sky. many people share the same sky, although for everyone it might be a different world below that sky. but we are the same, no matter where you are born, raised, work or what you believe in. if we strip our worlds from ethical decisions and reason- we are the same and that's the base principal.

Marriage equality is now spiders.

Carry on.

It's a virtual world. Who cares who marries who online when it's an avatar. Besides, having same sex marriage will fuel those doujin productions with same sex coupling no more than its current state, which is already pretty prolific. Rabid fans will be rabid fans, and rule 34 applies to everything. If your childhood/innocence hasn't been ruined yet, obviously you haven't been searching hard enough.

it dosent make a difference to me , its not that important in the grand scheme of things.

i would like to see more posts about the things that actually matter, like player housing and Freecompany, the jobs and how they will play out in ARR, the Raids, Crafting gathering, the Main story, Market system, Like yoshi said that if all the lvl50 players collect their gil it'll get them a small sized house.. i think thats more interesting lol

if its going to be a yes or no vote ide say yes sure, itll make some people happy and other who dont like it dont have to do this content themselves, i for one will be focusing on more important aspects of the game, and i think most people will ~(-.^~)