Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

339 pages of complaints about the character that I'm 100% sure has NOTHING to do with her English VA, right? Because I can happily critique questionable VA work, but a 300+ page thread seems kinda... excessive?

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No, I think the original speeeeen is well worth 300 pages of criticism.
Rerecording doesn't delete her subpart ability to play the role.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

She wouldn't even be so annoying if she wasn't represented by the fact that she has to be strong, she will be the queen, she knows everything. Plus seeing at the credits that Square Enix worked with DEI and Baby inc. then they hid this lmao. It's such an obvious pattern. Then you get quests like this;

- Speak to Wuk Lamat at the entrance to the Skydeep Cenote.
- Speak to Wuk Lamat.
- Speak to Wuk Lamat at the Gate of Remembrance.
- Speak to Wuk Lamat again.
- Speak to Wuk Lamat yet again.
- Speak to Wuk Lamat once more.

if this is a fun gameplay, then people have low standards. Even my friend who used to enjoy this game, found DT to be extremely boring so he just skipped all cutscenes.

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Sweet Baby's influence is all over DT if you go looking. It's completely acceptable to have a consultant team to help with a project, especially in the case of having so much of South and Latin American ancient culture be portrayed. That's uncommon in JRPGs and having a few genuine experts could be awesome.

But it feels *bad* knowing the the Turali sections were sunshine and rainbows with every issue being resolved with relative ease, the main character being girl-boss esque type, and the story taking a hard left to battling a colonizing force with Western fantasy influences the moment said underappreciated culture got dirty. It's too easy to point to all of that and claim it's "woke." And God, poor Sena, but yes, she's a trans woman from PR. Anti-Wokes LOVE that. Even if we have legitimate criticism.

But it's also easy to point to other common young shonen writing tropes and see how those ideas also held DT back in certain aspects. (The big damn perfect hero coming clutch every time, befriending most rivals to allies, fear of hurting fan favorites, no conflict among friends, even multiple instances of obsessed underlings to villains. That happened twice!)

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Originally Posted by Karious

Fire Kate while we're at it. She's obviously got her priorities wrong on what's important with the lore and localization.

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I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WGzXuG1ucs&t=2s she should be fired for sure. (I don't watch this youtuber, but I did the research after)

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Originally Posted by Vitallian

I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WGzXuG1ucs&t=2s she should be fired for sure. (I don't watch this youtuber, but I did the research after)

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Don't watch them but conveniently spreading their platform where they go off regularly about reactionary conspiracies like white replacement, et al? Hm, curious. Not to mention how they, before their banning from xivdiscussion, would always get dunked on for their most wild and uncharitable interpretations of literally everything (despite not knowing Japanese and relying solely on machine translation they would infer the most hilarious things from interviews that no reasonable person would).

Nah, I totally believe you, you just happened across this channel's ai voiced ramblings and thought "this would be good to share".

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Originally Posted by LyrisAdamanteia

Don't watch them but conveniently spreading their platform where they go off regularly about reactionary conspiracies like white replacement, et al? Hm, curious. Not to mention how they, before their banning from xivdiscussion, would always get dunked on for their most wild and uncharitable interpretations of literally everything (despite not knowing Japanese and relying solely on machine translation they would infer the most hilarious things from interviews that no reasonable person would).

Nah, I totally believe you, you just happened across this channel's ai voiced ramblings and thought "this would be good to share".

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I don't watch them. The only convenience was me searching for more FF stuff, and coming to the forums and searching for kate, that is it cut and dry. I have no idea about their other videos, or anything they've done outside of that video alone. But now i'm going to look further into them and see what the hubub is about.

Edit: Yeah...I can definitely see what you mean though, about their vids. Hmm. Does seem to be quite a bit of outlandish takes, a load of doom posting, and sensational things. Well then.


Edit2: Given the recent situation that has taken place on 9/10, my position has changed. Fire Kate, fire all of the ilk that think and agree with/like her.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

She’s Puerto Rican.

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Sena Bryer calls herself a white woman so I'm going off of that. She's also voiced dissent about people who voice characters of the wrong background/orientation so I apply that standard to her as well.

I do not believe she was a good fit for Wuk Lamat, and she's had a looooot of lines to give as the character and there really hasn't been any growing into the role.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

No, I think the original speeeeen is well worth 300 pages of criticism.
Rerecording doesn't delete her subpart ability to play the role.

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I don't think the re-recording is all that much of an improvement.
We also more or less got the exact same scene with Wuk before she jobbed to the wall, and got another incredibly flat performance, so I'm going to assume Sena just struggles to emote while doing the Wuk Voice.

Holy moly, you people are still going.

And there even is mentioning of DEI just one page ago.

Like, please seek help. Thank you for your understanding.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

No, I think the original speeeeen is well worth 300 pages of criticism.
Rerecording doesn't delete her subpart ability to play the role.

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Not to mention the rerecording is still bad, just not insultingly bad.
And as we can see from the lowercase yelling in 7.3 the VA did not improve.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I don't think the re-recording is all that much of an improvement.

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Originally Posted by ViinaS

And as we can see from the lowercase yelling in 7.3 the VA did not improve.

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I agree with you.

Just got polite moment when writing last time.

Something like: "Guess I should acknowledge that something was tried to fix the mess. Though it was nothing burger."

Feels like people forget just how consistently underwhelming a lot of the English voice acting is in FFXIV, especially in DT. Lyna in Shadowbringers and a few others stand out at specific moments, but a lot of the time, everyone feels like they're entirely too calm about everything going on. Actual screaming is unheard of.

Wuk still getting this kind of hate is just silly.