Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by Eric_Riot

I never understood the "Wasting people's time" argument. It's in every aspect of your life, you can not escape it. Work, Home, School, Store, Amusement parks, library. Do you just openly talk to the people in line in front of you at the Grocery store and complain that paying in 1$ because it is wasting everyone's time. They pay the same amount of money you do, why is your money/time worth more than anyone else? On the forums, complaints like that come across as someone just wanting to complain, not actively try to fix the situation.

Anyhow if you want to change the world for the better I'm all for it, but the best way to do it is to lead by example. I think "attacking" someone or pointing them out is just going to make them dig their heels in. A post complaining about "My Time!!" is not really going to make someone change their ways. *shrugs* just my 29gil

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Some elements in life you cannot control, but you can control those who you play with. Either by grouping with friends or removing them if that is the consensus of the party, even venting about on a forum offers an aspect or sense of control.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Bruh, I just want us to respect each others time. Its a simple thing that you've got twisted into me having some sort of complex. Six years of having to deal with people not respecting the time of others makes a person bitter.

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You're clearly very strapped for time.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

You're clearly very strapped for time.

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If they weren't strapped for time, they wouldn't spend so much of it posting in this thread. Clearly.

Please do continue to defend playing poorly. I am sure the parasites appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Please do continue to defend playing poorly. I am sure the parasites appreciate it.

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Not one of us has defended the parasites. We're not defending cure bots or ice mages or tanks who intentionally play spin the boss or the player who thinks they can AFK.

We're defending the players for whom guides don't work for them to learn content/job. For the player who might get the gist of the guide but needs to play with the unpredictability that comes with playing with others brings. We're defending the normally superb player who is having a bad day in game and making mistakes they normally wouldn't make. We're defending the player who has had a horrible sudden burst of lag mid-dungeon. We're defending the player with a disability whose skill cap is lower than others due to the disability.

I get where you are coming from and it is commendable that you are willing to offer such considerations which by in large require one to make assumptions regarding the other player.

Though both require an assumption to be made regarding the player. In the end both of you are essentially having a disagreement over the the same stance just the different side of the coin. At the core your positions are not that dissimilar. Your paragon for life and he his renegade for life.

Sorry been playing Mass Effect. At this point it is a clear case if agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

Not one of us has defended the parasites. We're not defending cure bots or ice mages or tanks who intentionally play spin the boss or the player who thinks they can AFK.

We're defending the players...

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... who are picking a job, or even the game, back up after not playing it for a bit, and they're a little rusty.

We're defending the players who recently swapped around a few things on their hotbars and are still getting used to things (the training dummy doesn't help me remember I put my interrupt over here)

The players who had a bad/hard day and just want to relax, so they que into a flippin dungeon (no stakes) to see SAM go brrr.

The players who went into content, and then through no fault of their own have something IRL asking for their attention and distracting them.

The players who've trying, but don't yet realize they're missing something, or performing their rotation non-optimally, and don't deserve ire and blacklisting for the incredible transgression of maybe making an alliance raid take a little longer.

We're defending people who aren't doing anything wrong or malicious, yet are being attacked behind their backs.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

Not one of us has defended the parasites. We're not defending cure bots or ice mages or tanks who intentionally play spin the boss or the player who thinks they can AFK.

We're defending the players for whom guides don't work for them to learn content/job. For the player who might get the gist of the guide but needs to play with the unpredictability that comes with playing with others brings. We're defending the normally superb player who is having a bad day in game and making mistakes they normally wouldn't make. We're defending the player who has had a horrible sudden burst of lag mid-dungeon. We're defending the player with a disability whose skill cap is lower than others due to the disability.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

... who are picking a job, or even the game, back up after not playing it for a bit, and they're a little rusty.

We're defending the players who recently swapped around a few things on their hotbars and are still getting used to things (the training dummy doesn't help me remember I put my interrupt over here)

The players who had a bad/hard day and just want to relax, so they que into a flippin dungeon (no stakes) to see SAM go brrr.

The players who went into content, and then through no fault of their own have something IRL asking for their attention and distracting them.

The players who've trying, but don't yet realize they're missing something, or performing their rotation non-optimally, and don't deserve ire and blacklisting for the incredible transgression of maybe making an alliance raid take a little longer.

We're defending people who aren't doing anything wrong or malicious, yet are being attacked behind their backs.

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OP has been told this several times. They don't care. They view all those people you listed the same as leeches. When they see someone not playing to their personal standard they take it as a personal insult. With OP it's always about how other people are disrespecting their time, wasting their time, taking advantage of them. It's all about what other players are doing to them. They view themselves as a victim.

The bads did not want to improve. So instead of reflecting on themselves and reading a guide, they blamed the "elitist".

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

The bads did not want to improve. So instead of reflecting on themselves and reading a guide, they blamed the "elitist".

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Where in my post did I mention that we were supporting those who were not wanting to improve and blaming others?

Because I can't find it.

You really need to realize that not everyone is as fast at learning things as you or has your learning style. You'll be much happier in the end.