How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

I'm guessing the people spending B4B are doing so because its only an 80 second cooldown and will come back up while hummel is being killed. Meanwhile if they waited they'll only get one. It seems to be a case of do you want to pad your numbers for a better parse (popping B4B early while there's multiple targets and getting it back non-optimally later) or do you need to maximize your hummelfaust damage to ensure a clear (lining it up better with other cooldowns for a pseudo-opener on hummel).

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Originally Posted by JackFross

The slipstream hat is a really good choice, too, it's just very likely to be replaced by the Midas helm eventually when you down A8S, whereas the slipstream boots, pants, and ring are unlikely to ever leave your character once they're on.

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Thx for a detail explanation, we just cleared A5S last night, guess i will save lores for weapon from now on, otherwise i wud get the ring or boots this week

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Should I be holding buffs for Hummelfaust or not? Exp people in the FC said hold BFB and stuff.. But I see Dervy doesn't, and Jack does.. Most of the drgs I looked at don't.

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personally, i who doesn't really care abt the numbers unless we can clear the fight easily. i hold my B4B for hummelfaust, but i guess we have a different arrangement for my static. we have the Mnk, Mch and myself the Drg who hold our burst at the beginning (i hold B4B, but i use all the IR BOTD jump SSD and dragonfire on them, so i can have the 4th hit and GK on both of them), and only had the Blm use his burst at the beginning. once hummelfaust arrived, the 3 of us will,of course, use our regular burst. in my case, during my first Chaos thrust combo on hummelfaust i won't have BOTD nor GK (or maybe one GK right before disembowel depends on how fast we were killing the two fausts), but during the Full thrust combo i will have IR and all the rest back up as usual, and my jump wud still cover in the last second of B4B, but not the SSD. However, we started this method becuz we didn't have enough dps to actually clear it at the very first beginning while we were not as geared as now, but anyways it works out at the end, i mean, at this point we only concern abt safe and solid clears.

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Originally Posted by Braneric

2) I may have chosen poorly when purchasing Lore gear <.< Is the chest piece so bad that I should switch back to my artifact chest? Or can I mitigate it by slotting crit materia?

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i'd say, talk to a GM, tell him u bought the wrong piece accidentally, and ask him to switch the chest to the pants for u. every account has one chance once a life time to do this, if u want to progress in Midas or already having a static group progressing there, i will suggest u to do this

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Originally Posted by Khadroth

I'm guessing the people spending B4B are doing so because its only an 80 second cooldown and will come back up while hummel is being killed. Meanwhile if they waited they'll only get one. It seems to be a case of do you want to pad your numbers for a better parse (popping B4B early while there's multiple targets and getting it back non-optimally later) or do you need to maximize your hummelfaust damage to ensure a clear (lining it up better with other cooldowns for a pseudo-opener on hummel).

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yea i think so too, for myself i dont really care abt so much abt numbers at this moment anyways, so we have 3 dps holding our burst on the two fausts. and for myself, yes i was only getting one B4B, the 2nd B4B actually came at the last 4-5% of hummelfaust, most of the time i wont pop it there cuz we wnna shorten the cd wait time as much as possible when we get to the boss room, and we didn't really need that B4B there either, tbh i feel that if a 2nd B4B is needed at that moment, it would very likely gonna hit enrage not matter what

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Originally Posted by Khadroth

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Yeah, Dervy only does it for padding. Day 1, no Sephi Weapons, you HAD to save all of your CDs, except 60s ones, for Hummlefaust, otherwise you'll not make the DPS check.

The best thing to do, for ultimate padding, is H -> IDC4 -> switch -> IDC4, with your PS + Jump used on the first add, and DFD + GK pading on both. Depending on your groups kill speed, you may not be able to use PH, so you can get the additional 4th in just before Faust jr 2 dies, and have BOTD up for Hummlefaust. Elusive Jump is also your friend for this fight.

We align up full burst around 20s into killing Hummlefaust. TA, BL, IR, POT, HE for the MCH etc.

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need help am i doing something wrong? i can clear a5s dummy with crits on and off. im a week away from upgrading to lore pants which will give me crit/det is 590 ss still optimal for drgs?

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Originally Posted by Tonkosi

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need help am i doing something wrong? i can clear a5s dummy with crits on and off. im a week away from upgrading to lore pants which will give me crit/det is 590 ss still optimal for drgs?

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Well from just a cursory look at your equipment, you seem to have chosen some upgrades poorly, though I can't say for sure without knowing what you started with. That 190 ring needs to be gotten rid of asap (190 to 220 would be an 11 str upgrade right there). Outside of that, you simply haven't been getting your weekly midas story tokens. You seem be placing an over emphasis on making sure your secondaries are perfect amounts (645 acc, 620 sksp) while shooting your main stat in the foot (I'm sitting at ilvl 220 with 44 more str than you, despite not having a savage drop or this week's lore upgrade yet). Don't be afraid to go over on accuracy or skillspeed temporarily. As long as it's for the sake of grabbing an upgrade you can adjust to make it work.

I was to stupid to do math but I had all bis up to a3s which I didn't clear. thank you I always thought crit needed to be stacked but I was to stupid to look at str

I upgraded on emphasis for crit but I should've done it over str I see your point I'll do math on this thank you very much

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Originally Posted by Tonkosi

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need help am i doing something wrong? i can clear a5s dummy with crits on and off. im a week away from upgrading to lore pants which will give me crit/det is 590 ss still optimal for drgs?

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You should be crushing the dummy with that gear, not only on a lucky parse. At full i210 with 210 spear, the dummy is killable on-and-off. The addition of the Sephirot spear makes the check a non-issue. If you're struggly for consistency, you really need to look no further than right here:
http://puu.sh/nBKhI/649849395f.png

That is low - no joke. With the stats pouring out this patch, you should be able to maintain 500 minimum DET. I know a comparison to my current gear is unfair because ~crafted~ but, still: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2766552/

I'm rocking 1000 crit alongside 650 sks, 660 acc, AND 586 det. Even with literally no melds, I'm at 526/906/582/588 det/crit/sks/acc. I don't know where your Midas tokens are going, but you need to start getting the 220 Midas gear, since every single 220 piece is strictly better than every single 210 piece by a country mile (aside from Gordian hands > Proto Midan hands and Gordian ears > Proto Midan ears, however the hands become better with 2 Crit IV melds. The ears are trash, tho.)


590 sks is still optimal, in a sense, but also not really? Fights are significantly less draining on TP in the current meta. A5S is the exact opposite of TP issues, unless you use TP-consuming AoE on the pigs (which you shouldn't), and A6S is a series of fights, each of which 2m or less, with 1 Invigorate per fight. Just from normal, A8S looks like it won't be an issue for TP, either, assuming that phase in the middle of the last phase still happens - full 30-40s of running around letting TP regenerate and cooldowns reset so meh.

A7S is the only one that *might* be an issue, since there's not much downtime in the normal mode.

So, while 590 is still "optimal" - it's not NEARLY as detrimental to stack additional skill speed in this tier as it was in Gordias. The main issue with it, as Dervy mentioned, is de-syncing your BotD - but that requires a standing stretch of 3-4+ minutes, which is very rare if not non-existent in the current raiding landscape.

I'm not TOOO far behind I can clear a5s with enough crits atm and I just changed my 190 ring to 220. next week I can upgrade to 220 armor 220 gloves and 230 pants so I'm not completely terrible.

if you would've read what I wrote to reply to Khadroth I said I made a mistake from not doing math for the new tier gear I always thought crit was dps to stack crit on drugs but I see am I wrong. I just learned about the stat weights not to long ago, but I am upgrading my pieces Tuesday and maybe even buy 230 gear to replace my shirt necklace and ring. buy I never thought det would be beneficial to drg