Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

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Originally Posted by Rumstein

Sector 7 - Quarantine Node:
Killing this removes Allagan Rot, but grants HASTE.

Incredibly bad idea to kill this one (+its the 4th kill minimum)

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Killing 4 nodes and killing ADS is still possible, but yes, killing the Quarentine node and giving ADS Haste makes him pretty impossible since his moves become undodgable and High Voltage is nearly impossible to silence.

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Originally Posted by CompSci88

Does the ADS (boss) on turn 2 have a fix attack pattern like Titan? Our bards are relying too much on reaction time and they miss High Voltage once in a while.

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I silence as a brd in turn 2, when i remember correctly he uses high voltage after repelling cannon. But i'm not sure lol, normally we silence with two brds and when my CD runs off i know that after repelling cannon he will soon use high voltage.

hello,

which comes first, Crystal Tower or Bahamut Coil?
i mean, which has the higher tier (in term of difficulty/loot)

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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

hello,

which comes first, Crystal Tower or Bahamut Coil?
i mean, which has the higher tier (in term of difficulty/loot)

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Bahamut Coil is the higher tier (tier 2 if you will), Crystal Tower is tier 1 even though it's not in the game yet.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

He seems to cast high voltage every 30 seconds-ish

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Every 20 seconds. This however is not solid, because if he castes another ability it pushes it back slightly, but he will attempt to caste it 20 seconds after the caste before hand.

The nodes caste it every 25 seconds by the way.

Sorry for little noob question, but I just got party enough to try Coil Bahamut for the first time,

Could anyone explain the first ADS boss at start of tune-1? so my guess is that you have to have at least 1 PLD + 1 BRD on boss for rotation of silent him?
and then how to do with the add? it seem that in the rush period when add-just pop and we want to destroy it as quickly as possible, off-tank can't have enough time to build hate on the add, and it will go to attack DPS instead. DPS can't hold back either, because it seem we have to kill it before it reach the main boss or spawn more?

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Originally Posted by Alise

Could anyone explain the first ADS boss at start of tune-1? so my guess is that you have to have at least 1 PLD + 1 BRD on boss for rotation of silent him?
and then how to do with the add? it seem that in the rush period when add-just pop and we want to destroy it as quickly as possible, off-tank can't have enough time to build hate on the add, and it will go to attack DPS instead. DPS can't hold back either, because it seem we have to kill it before it reach the main boss or spawn more?

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yeah, interrupt the High Voltage (make sure the silencers have enough Accuracy) and we tank the add right where it spawns, generating enough threat is not a problem if the tanks are good, they just have to know how to build enough aggro so that the damage dealers don't get it. and yeah, we also kill it asap but our dragoon won't switch (too much inactive time running between ADS and the nodes)

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Originally Posted by Alise

Sorry for little noob question, but I just got party enough to try Coil Bahamut for the first time,
and then how to do with the add? it seem that in the rush period when add-just pop and we want to destroy it as quickly as possible, off-tank can't have enough time to build hate on the add, and it will go to attack DPS instead. DPS can't hold back either, because it seem we have to kill it before it reach the main boss or spawn more?

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Kill the adds while they pop one at a time, you may have to give your tank a few secs to get hate. Once he pops 2 simultaneously just ignore them and burn ADS down, he should be nearly dead by that point anyway.

If your PLD is comfortable in a silence rotation then PLD+BRD should be fine but most use 2 BRDs for it.

Just spent the past eight hours dying to Turn 2 ADS.
First going in as Sch, later on switched to Whm. It seemed like no matter what I do the tanks keep going down. Unless both Whm keep a regen + medica 2 rotation at 100% uptime the tanks keeps getting three-shotted. Am I supposed to not cast cure I entirely and just spam cure II + medica + regen + Medica 2? = ='

Are you tank swapping when their vuln stacks?

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Originally Posted by Kintt

Are you tank swapping when their vuln stacks?

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Tanks has gone down anywhere between 2-5 stacks. They swap at 5 and usually drg/mnk gets nearly one-shotted by aoe. When whm switch back from healing DD the tank has around 2k+ HP, when cure finishes casting the tank is dead = ='

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Originally Posted by Cousinjimmy

Tanks has gone down anywhere between 2-5 stacks. They swap at 5 and usually drg/mnk gets nearly one-shotted by aoe. When whm switch back from healing DD the tank has around 2k+ HP, when cure finishes casting the tank is dead = ='

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Why would you swap at 5? You can swap at 3 almost every time with no issues. If your DRG/MNK are being killed by AoE, your positioning is bad (it's a cleave, and it applies the debuff....). I suggest you have one healer heal the tanks primarily and one the raid (more or less), and have the tanks call swaps 3 seconds early so you know exactly when to swap heals. Again, 3 stacks is 100% doable... there's no reason to take it to 5 unless you just screw up somehow.

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

Why would you swap at 5? You can swap at 3 almost every time with no issues. If your DRG/MNK are being killed by AoE, your positioning is bad (it's a cleave, and it applies the debuff....). I suggest you have one healer heal the tanks primarily and one the raid (more or less), and have the tanks call swaps 3 seconds early so you know exactly when to swap heals. Again, 3 stacks is 100% doable... there's no reason to take it to 5 unless you just screw up somehow.

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Doesn't swapping at 3 not allow tanks enough time to build Aggro? As a healer I am very skeptical whether to cast Medica II or not, so I usually go as a SCH in this for to have it easier.

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

Why would you swap at 5? You can swap at 3 almost every time with no issues.

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I suppose we were doing something strategically wrong, without expert advice we would just bang our heads against the wall without knowing. Will try this week to swap at late three stacks.

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

If your DRG/MNK are being killed by AoE, your positioning is bad.

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From what I'm getting, both tanks are on the opposite side of each other, monk had to be on the side/behind to maximize damage. Since ADS is a... ball ... without a face, the monk couldn't tell... and that usually leads to a 3k+HP slap to the face ._.; And the drg was saying that at a certain angle he gets hit by full stacks of tidal wave. Also the line laser that shoots out like Ultima weapon's have a ridiculous uptime, people walked into it two seconds after the red AoE dissipates and still getting hit by it.

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Originally Posted by Cousinjimmy

I suppose we were doing something strategically wrong, without expert advice we would just bang our heads against the wall without knowing. Will try this week to swap at late three stacks.



From what I'm getting, both tanks are on the opposite side of each other, monk had to be on the side/behind to maximize damage. Since ADS is a... ball ... without a face, the monk couldn't tell... and that usually leads to a 3k+HP slap to the face ._.; And the drg was saying that at a certain angle he gets hit by full stacks of tidal wave. Also the line laser that shoots out like Ultima weapon's have a ridiculous uptime, people walked into it two seconds after the red AoE dissipates and still getting hit by it.

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Your monk needs to look at the targeting ring around the mob, not the mob itself, for positional bonuses.

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Originally Posted by Cousinjimmy

I suppose we were doing something strategically wrong, without expert advice we would just bang our heads against the wall without knowing. Will try this week to swap at late three stacks.



From what I'm getting, both tanks are on the opposite side of each other, monk had to be on the side/behind to maximize damage. Since ADS is a... ball ... without a face, the monk couldn't tell... and that usually leads to a 3k+HP slap to the face ._.; And the drg was saying that at a certain angle he gets hit by full stacks of tidal wave. Also the line laser that shoots out like Ultima weapon's have a ridiculous uptime, people walked into it two seconds after the red AoE dissipates and still getting hit by it.

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Think of the mob as a square... You can have the two tanks on two adjacent sides, and then your DPS can utilize the back/side regardless of which tank is tanking it at the time and aren't at risk of being cleaved on tank swaps.

As for the aggro thing, the first tank will build their normal threat and then when the second tank provokes it will put them at the first tank +1 and tank #2 can continue threat rotation normally -- it shouldn't matter whether you are switching at 1 stack or 10 as far as threat goes (Except for provoke cooldown and tanks living)

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

As for the aggro thing, the first tank will build their normal threat and then when the second tank provokes it will put them at the first tank +1 and tank #2 can continue threat rotation normally -- it shouldn't matter whether you are switching at 1 stack or 10 as far as threat goes (Except for provoke cooldown and tanks living)

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So I suppose both tank will have some stacks on them at all times -- still that beats getting hit for 1.8k a pop on ADS auto-attacks.
We got work to do then, our bard was pulling hate with bloodletter spams in the first 20 seconds, afterwards he had to stand around and just auto-attacking while on slience duty.

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Originally Posted by Cousinjimmy

So I suppose both tank will have some stacks on them at all times -- still that beats getting hit for 1.8k a pop on ADS auto-attacks.
We got work to do then, our bard was pulling hate with bloodletter spams in the first 20 seconds, afterwards he had to stand around and just auto-attacking while on slience duty.

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Are you killing the slashing debuff node?

Also, tanks having the debuff shouldn't really matter -- they shouldn't be getting hit by anything threatening. You should be swapping more or less as each tank loses their debuffs (3 stacks)

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Originally Posted by CompSci88

Doesn't swapping at 3 not allow tanks enough time to build Aggro? As a healer I am very skeptical whether to cast Medica II or not, so I usually go as a SCH in this for to have it easier.

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The tanks should be swapping tanking on ADS whenever their stacks are off, this is typically when the other tank reaches 3 or 4 stacks. If the tanks are using provoke to ping pong the hate, then there shouldn't be a problem.

I don't see a reason to split the tanks, if you provoke after the cleave and then simply move in front of the boss he won't even turn around at all, and the other tank has plenty of time to move away due to cleave cooldown.

ADS in Turn 2....is given me troubles.

I don't know what to do with him. I'm a BLM who is usually the only DD mage in the group. Since my accuracy & dmg are high I never have an issue with magic res, it is the tank dying or one of the 2 bards dying to laser while trying to pass the root.


What to do? what jobs should I party with? always needs 2 bards for high voltage? what to do abut every tank I go with dying at 40% ADS health?

Tanks got full DL...why they die when ADS at 40% health? always around 40%...

Please teach me a strat that works :(

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

ADS in Turn 2....is given me troubles.

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Once you understand the mechanics, it's execution. Though there is a DPS check, it's one that can be passed without ilvl 90 gear; same goes for tanking/healing -- I offtanked our first kill using Garuda's Gaze, Thormoen's, AF head/body, DL hands/legs, and ilvl 48-55 accessories.

You have to silence every High Voltage. Any combination of PLDs and BRDs can do this on-demand and off-GCD. If High Voltage is the primary reason for wipes, then consider extra coverage; 1 PLD/1 BRD per High Voltage, switching off with the other PLD/BRD.

You need to be able to seamlessly pass rot. Reconsider your positioning to make rot more foolproof. Any given laser should force as little movement from your party as possible. The more movement you require, the more opportunities for human error.

The fight should technically get easier as ADS gets lower because it uses more moves in its rotation, creating breathing room.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Tanks got full DL...why they die when ADS at 40% health? always around 40%...

Please teach me a strat that works :(

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Sounds like your tanks are standing in cannon and expecting to get healed. You should tell them to actually move out of it like everyone else.

Also, make sure they're swapping at 3-4 stacks, and using defensive cooldowns proactively.

Also we have it so healers don't move when passing rot, the next dps in the rotation will come take it from healers so they can focus on keeping the tanks alive and the raid topped.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Also we have it so healers don't move when passing rot, the next dps in the rotation will come take it from healers so they can focus on keeping the tanks alive and the raid topped.

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I see many FC's use this strategy and it just seems utterly pointless. It takes half a second to pass rot, you are essentially just gimping your healers. I'm sure if bard can DPS/Silence/keep Ballad/Requim up/pass Rot/ and dodge lines the healers can take the half of a second to pass rot. Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Disturbed

I see many FC's use this strategy and it just seems utterly pointless. It takes half a second to pass rot, you are essentially just gimping your healers. I'm sure if bard can DPS/Silence/keep Ballad/Requim up/pass Rot/ and dodge lines the healers can take the half of a second to pass rot. Just my 2 cents.

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Spoken like a true dps :) my FC has the healers (such as me) standing still as well and it works out great for us, we really don't have a lot of time to maneouver.

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Originally Posted by Disturbed

I see many FC's use this strategy and it just seems utterly pointless. It takes half a second to pass rot, you are essentially just gimping your healers. I'm sure if bard can DPS/Silence/keep Ballad/Requim up/pass Rot/ and dodge lines the healers can take the half of a second to pass rot. Just my 2 cents.

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We are spread out so rot isn't spread early, and having healers run to pass a rot sub 50% is not very wise. You aren't a healer, so you have no idea what it takes to keep the tanks/raid(dumb dps that get hit by lasers or fire) takes. Wasting time to run over and drop Rot off is going to be at least 2 GCD's that could lead to a tank death.

Either way, the fight is a joke.

Healers (including me) have always passed the rot for ADS. Never had an issue. ADS just dies because its such an easy fight with proper execution. Healing is also pretty easy, keep Medica II up, and when passing rot and the tank really needs a heal then swiftcast + heal while moving.

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Originally Posted by Disturbed

I see many FC's use this strategy and it just seems utterly pointless. It takes half a second to pass rot, you are essentially just gimping your healers. I'm sure if bard can DPS/Silence/keep Ballad/Requim up/pass Rot/ and dodge lines the healers can take the half of a second to pass rot. Just my 2 cents.

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The fact that you're using Bards as an example is already a sign that you're putting up a wrong argument. Healers need to stand in place in order to cast their heals. That .5-1 second wasted moving can pretty much end your run.

Our healers always pass rot. We don't have them run far but they do move as well. Its just raid choice.

YAY ADS ded like the **** he is. So easy once everyone preform their role.

In turn 4 atm, going to give it a shot 2moro :). So have anyone 100% confirmed there is no loot/drops in Turn 3? We scouted every direction on the jumping portal(S) and could not find anything.

I guess SE would not give us loot for free.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

YAY ADS ded like the **** he is. So easy once everyone preform their role.

In turn 4 atm, going to give it a shot 2moro :). So have anyone 100% confirmed there is no loot/drops in Turn 3? We scouted every direction on the jumping portal(S) and could not find anything.

I guess SE would not give us loot for free.

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100% confirmed you can get X-potions!

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

100% confirmed you can get X-potions!

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What is it with some of the birds there, you agro and they don't dmg you or anyone in the group. Part of a puzzle maybe? or just buged?

Got a question...when you complete Turn 1 are you forced to do Turn 2 until it resets on Monday? Just wondering if farming Turn 1 is possible.

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Originally Posted by S_Archer

Got a question...when you complete Turn 1 are you forced to do Turn 2 until it resets on Monday? Just wondering if farming Turn 1 is possible.

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Can't farm it. Once per week.

Twintania downed!
http://i.imgur.com/Fzg9ImC.png

http://i.imgur.com/vd631ax.jpg

Due to a bug...
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ed_due_to_bug/
I'm not part of the party in the photo. Just linking a Reddit post I found.

Haha color me surprised that it was due to a glitched mechanic. Good on you for reporting it and whatnot.

Yeah. Moogle EU got world first due to bug >.<

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Originally Posted by Chusan

Yeah. Moogle EU got world first due to bug >.<

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Except they aren't claiming or accepting world first.

Was just sharing the link. Saw it on Reddit and figured that if I linked it here people will go "OMGWTFBBQ. Someone got world first ahead of us! :(" then go "oh... that's how. :| Doesn't count!"