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Originally Posted by Kiroh
You could have finished after A. There's no need for poo-flinging. That's what gets threads locked.
To Issachar, being gay is no more a lifestyle choice than being straight is. I'm sure you didn't "choose" to be straight. You're just wired that way. Same with gay people.
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11-12-2012, 02:44 PMVilhem
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11-12-2012, 02:46 PMNixYou beat me to it Vil!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilhem
Also @ Kiroh, not all republicans are bad, I'm a bi republican XD (Granted I'm more center than right). Let's be careful about painting everyone with broad brush strokes :x -
11-12-2012, 02:47 PMKirohI know, demanding to be treated exactly like everyone else is SO extreme. I'm totally foaming at the mouth at your sheer and utter lack of understanding of anyone but straight males.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
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11-12-2012, 02:48 PMKirohYou're right, I should have said conservative. I'll fix that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nix
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11-12-2012, 02:49 PMKallivis
Chill out dudes and dudettes. Stop throwing jabs at each other and get back to the point.
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11-12-2012, 02:49 PMNix
Let's not put labels on there at all ; ; Bad people come from all walks of life D:.
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11-12-2012, 02:49 PMIssacharBaseless assumptions, kiddo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-12-2012, 02:50 PMKirohBaseless except for your display on a public forum of exactly what I said...yeah totally baseless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
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11-12-2012, 02:50 PMVilhem
How about stop the shit flinging altogether and post more constructively? This goes for anyone else too ~_~
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11-12-2012, 02:52 PMKirohWhen someone starts out by characterizing who you are as a choice, nothing constructive can possibly come of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilhem
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11-12-2012, 02:52 PMShinigamiKaylaI agree with you nix... I'm Republican but I want people to be happy I have nothing against two people who love each other being together at heart were all romantics... if you love someone no matter what sex who cares its your own business and no one should be able to tell you your wrong o.O least thats how I view it... then again I guess I'm more towards the middle too... I call myself a republican and I'm pro choice and pro gay marriage : <Quote:
Originally Posted by Nix
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11-12-2012, 02:53 PMKallivis
So anyway here is a little summary of what people have been saying since we need to get back on topic!
-There is an overwhelming majority in support for same sex marriage.
-As much as this is a social issue it's also a business issue due to the fact that there are some countries that do not support it.
-There are already things in the game that countries do not support in their laws, but this game is still accepted there.
-People have brought up changing the marriage system into some sort of bonding or companion system, avoiding the word "marriage" and the feelings associated with it. -
11-12-2012, 02:53 PMKirohDarn you, stop challenging my negative views of Republicans by being awesome! D=Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla
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11-12-2012, 02:54 PMNixSo very true Kayla!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla
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11-12-2012, 02:54 PMNixLol we're not all fire-breathing doomseethers D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
We can be quite huggable you know! -
11-12-2012, 02:54 PMShinigamiKayladon't get me wrong there are a ton of bad ones at out there though there are also democrats that take things way to far... both sides have extremes never forget that o.xQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-12-2012, 02:54 PMIssacharPeople like you give equal rights movements a major discredit. I was simply saying that it was a choice to express a particular lifestyle in a game that doesn't really have anything relating to it. I wasn't saying being LGBT was a lifestyle choice. But you're so blinded by your extremist loathing of any opinion other than your own that you'll fail to see this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
And I could explain myriad examples of how wrong you are about me, but my personal life is none of your business. -
11-12-2012, 02:57 PMKirohExcept I already explained that it's only an issue IF they allow others the right to express their lifestyle in-game and specifically exclude LGBT people from it. (In other words, if there is in-game marriage at all it should be inclusive, if no one is allowed to get married I'm fine with that too.) You're making a point for excluding a group of people from something everyone else will have and I'm telling you it's wrong. Plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
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11-12-2012, 02:58 PMIssacharQuote:
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Let me reiterate: I am not saying being LGBT is a lifestyle choice, but the fact that expressing it online IS a choice. -
11-12-2012, 02:59 PMKirohNo more than expressing being straight in an online game is a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
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11-12-2012, 02:59 PMNixSo is expressing you are straight though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
There should be no difference in expressing whether you are straight or not - It's a relationship after all.
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11-12-2012, 02:59 PMKallivisYou outright said lifestyle choice. Saying something about yourself online is not a lifestyle choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
I'm male.
Oh look now I lead a male lifestyle I guess. Bring on the bacon. -
11-12-2012, 02:59 PMAlerithLike a Cactuar!Quote:
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I keed the Republicans. -
11-12-2012, 03:00 PMShinigamiKaylawhats wrong with expressing yourself online? o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
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11-12-2012, 03:00 PMIssacharFunny, last I checked, I voted for same-sex marriage. I didn't vote for me. i voted for my friends who have same-sex partners or close friends that play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-12-2012, 03:01 PMIssacharNothing at all. Merely stating that it is a conscious choice to express it in a place other than in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla
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11-12-2012, 03:01 PMNixThose FF8 cactuars were cute....right? Q_QQuote:
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11-12-2012, 03:02 PMAmyNeudaiz
I think some people completely missed the point here.
This has nothing to do with lifestyle choices or anything, it doesn't matter who's republican or conservative or who's lgbt or straight it's about freedom of choice and equality for all.
For those protesting it's all the LGBT community pushing this, it's not. I'm not LGBT but I support not only because I personally believe in equality but because my boyfriend has a female character and so do I. I want to experience it with him and he has strictly protested a change of gender for his character. I think it's silly that we have to be punished because some people "might" get offended in some country and that is my opinion that Yoshi-P asked for himself. -
11-12-2012, 03:03 PMIssacharI never said otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nix
Expressing sexuality online is a choice.
Expressing preference online is a choice.
Expressing personal life online is a choice. -
11-12-2012, 03:03 PMKallivisCompletely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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11-12-2012, 03:05 PMKirohWell it's a good thing I was talking entirely about YOUR point of expressing something in a game so you didn't take it out of context and apply it to real life situ....oh wait nevermind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
(You're the one making it a point that you meant the game and then you try arguing with a real world situation? Stop it...just...stop.) -
11-12-2012, 03:05 PMVilhem
I agree a downplay or outright removal of the word "marriage" would probably work to SE's favor.
Expanding on the idea of signed/engraved rings, this was already a feature in XI (crafters can sign their gear; if I recall Yoshi-P mentioned the possibility of it happening in XIV too). I'd love to see it happen in XIV too!
I'm a female who plays a male character, so I ran into this "marriage" problem on XI, because my partner at the time was male playing male character; two males couldn't marry of course, so we made up for it by exchanging signed rings which we either equipped or carried in bazaar for 99999999999999999trillion gil (XD) Then they later introduced synthed wedding gear like the gowns for females, though males did not have formal attire until the 8th anniversary event).
Back to the topic of the word marriage though, if it's cast as something else, say..."union" or "joining of the souls" as others have suggested, SE could clean its hands of any "official" stance, because it's not CALLED marriage officially. The playerbase of course would refer to it as marriage, kind of the same way we have unofficial words for things like "aggro" vs emnity, "2-hr" instead of "special ability" (2hr coming from XI's 2hr cooldown of course)
The ceremony ITSELF can even be different, breaking away from the traditional events (such as bouquet throwing, or walking down aisle or something like that). Heck, even in real life wedding ceremonies vary greatly. Why not have a unique version for our in-game world? -
11-12-2012, 03:06 PMIssacharNo more and no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
People see the word "choice" and jump like ravenous hounds at fresh meat without trying to understand what the other person is trying to say. I used two words in direct proximity to one another and woke the hounds, and it was not my intent. Instead of going out for blood, ask for clarification. All you did was encourage a fistfight. -
11-12-2012, 03:07 PMKirohOr you could have some self-awareness and realize the phrase is used constantly in exactly the way everyone else took it and, oh I don't know, use a different phrasing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
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11-12-2012, 03:09 PMIssacharI was trying to say it was an error on my part to group the words together like I did, because my intended meaning was not as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
You're still out for blood. Cut it out. -
11-12-2012, 03:11 PMVenat
How come you cant get married in call of duty?
That's not far off from FFXIV. -
11-12-2012, 03:11 PMKirohTelling someone else it's their fault for not asking YOU what you meant is not the same as admitting you made an error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
Basically what you said and your response to this post was the equivalent of "I'm sorry you took it that way." That's not an apology, it's blaming the person who took something exactly the way you phrased it as what you meant. -
11-12-2012, 03:12 PMKallivisQuote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
So how about you two get a room or something, or get back to the subject and stop arguing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-12-2012, 03:13 PMVenat
Forgot...
this is a way they can charge you extra 15-50 bucks, of course they will add it. -
11-12-2012, 03:13 PMIssacharIt was your fault for being quick to pounce. It was my fault for misconstruing what I was trying to say. We both made a mistake and leave it at that :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh