Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

If we look at the collective savage statistics right now PCT is 3rd in rDPS on average (1st in gold), 2nd in cDPS (first in gold) and 5th in aDPS. We know that PCT is the strongest burster in the game but its averages are basically exactly in line with the rest of the melees and BLM (though BLM really suffers in cDPS)

Is this a roughly valid position for PCT to be in for people, all the melee are almost exactly equal right now, both the selfish and the utility melee and PCT sits with them, if you don’t want PCT where it is right now is your problem

1) its above BLM->if yes
a) would you buff BLM
b) nerf PCT
2) it sits with the melee in general
3) its gold parses are still quite high

I just really don’t see a problem with PCT’s damage profile except its comparison to being BLM damage but with utility but that’s not something that’s a valid comparison against the melees as they have equivalent or stronger utility on some of them. What is really the valid argument against PCT sitting where it’s sitting in regards to the melee (ie not BLM) that isn’t built on a nebulous belief that melee are hard and PCT is easy

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The issue lies more with Physical Ranged being shafted time and time again. The problem is that we now have a job that actually can outperform Ranged by a substantial degree due to its burst, and also raw damage that it throws at the boss per GCD - it's on average stronger than what Ranged can throw at it, even if it is based on your Aetherhues. Reason why Savage actually isn't locked out for Ranged is because of the fact that they tuned their damage properly for it so that PCT Shields can't even outdo it without overgearing. We're still early on though, but come Alliance Raid Patch we're going to start to see Ranged be the outlier, even with their raid buff suite(except for MCH - they don't see the light of day).

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

The issue lies more with Physical Ranged being shafted time and time again. The problem is that we now have a job that actually can outperform Ranged by a substantial degree due to its burst, and also raw damage that it throws at the boss per GCD - it's on average stronger than what Ranged can throw at it, even if it is based on your Aetherhues. Reason why Savage actually isn't locked out for Ranged is because of the fact that they tuned their damage properly for it so that PCT Shields can't even outdo it without overgearing. We're still early on though, but come Alliance Raid Patch we're going to start to see Ranged be the outlier, even with their raid buff suite(except for MCH - they don't see the light of day).

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Physical ranged are just as far behind the melee as they are behind PCT, I agree how far the phys ranged (and the rezz casters) is a problem but how is that a unique problem to pictomancers balancing position specifically. It’s not like this problem didn’t exist with EW BLM as well as the EW melee with respect to the EW phys ranged

Kinda changing the subject but I feel like it’s interesting that Pictomancer ‘feels’ so ‘op’ to play (putting actual numerical output aside).

Because ultimately isn’t that how every job should feel? .

I think one of the reasons Pictomancer seems ‘busted’ is because it genuinely feels powerful to play with valuable support that makes a tangible difference to the party with Tempera Grassa. Holy in White / Comet in Black and Smudge give it flexibility with movement. Even making the decision to use Subtractive Pallet for the long casts feels like you’re actively making decisions with satisfying pay-offs.

Physical ranged is essentially the exact opposite which is funny given the balance issues reflect this.

Nothing they do feels valuable or ‘powerful’, and you’re rarely ever making active decisions over following rotation/procs/etc. I mean, Bards literally have Esuna and Mantra as their ‘support’. I think I’d genuinely rather have the tacked on healing potency Star Prism has lol. Dancer’s Curing Waltz is really good to be fair, but then Improvisation is so hilarious it literally doesn’t even get used for it’s intended function (people flash-apply it between GCDs so it may as well not even have a channeled component). I mean, what’s up with a skill whose main purpose is ‘you use me when you’re in combat but there are no enemies present’ lol. Machinists have…a wrench. lol.

Tl;dr basically I think a lot of the issues with Pictomancer compared to other jobs like physical ranged isn’t just the numerical disparity but largely in how they ‘feel’ to play.

The current issue since the balancing patch is not the Pictomancer,
but the fact that the Black Mage, all physical ranged DPS, the Red Mage, and the Summoner are severely lacking in firepower.

For Phys Range I think MCH can be brought up to at least PCT levels, do a similar system where its filler is mediocre but it has incredible burst damage.
I know machinist already does good nDPS but the current game boils mostly down to rDPS. For Bard and Dancer though I really don't know what can be done to fix them besides a full role rework because their support and utility is not worth it compared to the damage and utility casters bring and with Bard being probably one of the hardest jobs in the game its really not worth getting good at because Dancer does its job just as good at an equal level with much less skill, what people are saying about BLM and PCT actually does exist in DNC and BRD the skill floor gap is so much bigger but theres zero reward in getting good at BRD.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

For Phys Range I think MCH can be brought up to at least PCT levels, do a similar system where its filler is mediocre but it has incredible burst damage.

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You do that, and BRD and DNC become invalidated instantly, regardless of skill level. DNC may be fine due to SAM/PCT but that's it. This discussion already happened in Abyssos. The damage of "selfish" jobs depends entirely on themselves, and thus don't require others to perform well. They should still abuse the buffs of others for further increases, but they're not hindered by comp in the same way that buffing jobs can be (e. g. DNC's DP).

Imho, in the short term MCH would need to have a party buff. The long term solution would be to rework the ranged physical range role and/or not tie the strongest point of most jobs into the 120s burst window.

I like that pictomancer is so strong. That means more carry potential if you play as or with a pct you know in PF.

I mentioned it in another thread but as others have said.... Phys Range is in a really bad place. Three patches since expansion and not a single change to some of them while others have had vast increases.

I play BRD and damage seems fine. I don't expect it to do BLM damage. It's straight up easier to play, especially in DT where BLM is in the worst state probably since early expansions.

But I do think they should do something more with MCH that rewards skill with higher aDPS.

Looking at the data today, PCT seems more or less ok. The buffs to BLM have been mostly effective it would seem. Looking by fight and percentile it still begs the question of whether PCT needs a minor nerf imo though.

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I play BRD and damage seems fine. I don't expect it to do BLM damage. It's straight up easier to play, especially in DT where BLM is in the worst state probably since early expansions.

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I mean, I’d say Bard is the polar opposite of Pictomancer in a way in that even though it’s numerically fine, playing it just doesn’t really feel like you’re actually bringing anything of value. Whereas with Pictomancer even when you’re not actually doing super big dps, it still feels like you’re ‘bringing something worthwhile’ to the party with Tempera etc, even though it’s not actually anything incredible lol.

Like Bard just has Nature’s Minne which I don’t think people value particularly highly lol, and Lolsuna on a 45-sec cool-down. Troubadour actually does feel good to use since mitigation is so important now, but it’s also essentially a role skill lol.

Personally I think a lot of it’s to do with Pictomancer being much more active while other jobs like Bard or Dancer have more passive contributions. Like they just happen as part of your damage rotation. I don’t think people are like ‘wow, my singing added a whole 1% damage to the party!’. Like, it’s numerically super powerful, but that’s never really impressed upon the player in the way Pictomancer’s is with drawing motifs leading to big damage or Tempera’s cool-down reduction.

Basically I think Pictomancer is really good with ‘feedback’ in terms of contribution being more easily observable than other jobs. Like, you can see a shield but you can’t see mits if that make sense (unless you like awkwardly hover over them I guess lol). Maybe that’s part of what makes it feel so ‘powerful’ compared to other jobs?

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I mean, I’d say Bard is the polar opposite of Pictomancer in a way in that even though it’s numerically fine, playing it just doesn’t really feel like you’re actually bringing anything of value. Whereas with Pictomancer even when you’re not actually doing super big dps, it still feels like you’re ‘bringing something worthwhile’ to the party with Tempera etc, even though it’s not actually anything incredible lol.

Like Bard just has Nature’s Minne which I don’t think people value particularly highly lol, and Lolsuna on a 45-sec cool-down. Troubadour actually does feel good to use since mitigation is so important now, but it’s also essentially a role skill lol.

Personally I think a lot of it’s to do with Pictomancer being much more active while other jobs like Bard or Dancer have more passive contributions. Like they just happen as part of your damage rotation. I don’t think people are like ‘wow, my singing added a whole 1% damage to the party!’. Like, it’s numerically super powerful, but that’s never really impressed upon the player in the way Pictomancer’s is with drawing motifs leading to big damage or Tempera’s cool-down reduction.

Basically I think Pictomancer is really good with ‘feedback’ in terms of contribution being more easily observable than other jobs. Like, you can see a shield but you can’t see mits if that make sense (unless you like awkwardly hover over them I guess lol). Maybe that’s part of what makes it feel so ‘powerful’ compared to other jobs?

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I'm not sure how much of that is just PCT being shiny and new, both in terms of visuals and in terms of its rotation being reworked and ruined like every other Job.

That said I'm a PCT extremist and I've always said it has too much utility for the DPS it does and vice versa.

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I'm not sure how much of that is just PCT being shiny and new, both in terms of visuals and in terms of its rotation being reworked and ruined like every other Job.

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It’s very possible lol. By the time next expansion comes around it may very well end up as lacklustre as the other jobs ended up becoming (assuming devs don’t change their approach to job design). Probably in the name of ‘streamlining’ that nobody ever asked for lol. As for the balancing itself as a more casual player I find Pictomancer fun; even if they did need to adjust its damage output or whatever, it wouldn’t affect whether I played the job or not for me, as long as the playstyle remained the same. In terms of actual numerical balancing though, I have no idea what would be ‘most ideal’ really. But personally I like the utility of the job too so I’d be sad to see that go

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Originally Posted by Aco505

You do that, and BRD and DNC become invalidated instantly, regardless of skill level. DNC may be fine due to SAM/PCT but that's it. This discussion already happened in Abyssos. The damage of "selfish" jobs depends entirely on themselves, and thus don't require others to perform well. They should still abuse the buffs of others for further increases, but they're not hindered by comp in the same way that buffing jobs can be (e. g. DNC's DP).

Imho, in the short term MCH would need to have a party buff. The long term solution would be to rework the ranged physical range role and/or not tie the strongest point of most jobs into the 120s burst window.

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Im saying this more as a future possible way of fixing it, not fixing it right now to be like this. Yeah giving it a party buff would be the best way to fix it right now but I dont want that to happen because if machinist gets a party buff its not going away and I would hate that on machinist.

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I play BRD and damage seems fine. I don't expect it to do BLM damage. It's straight up easier to play

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Hard disagree, it's still got an absurdly high apm burst and tons of ghost inputs if your connection isn't good. The entire job feels like a job that's forced to be a burst job when it works better as a sustained damage job, song rotation will never be good it should of been ditched after shb. Remove all raid burst buffs on bard and make it solely sustained damage and sustained buff focused imo. (Obviously can't do that shit rn because the game Devs said lala I can't hear you after 2 years of complaining about the burst meta.)

I play BRD too, and it feels awful to play right now despite what player collected stats say. Its personal damage is way too low for how busy its rotation is. And there are annoying micro timing issues throughout its rotation to where is doesn't seem work at any skill speed anymore. It desperately needs potency buffs, and cooldown adjustments.

These discussions are always a bit confusing to me. From how I understand things, rDPS already moves all damage gained from external buffs to the person that brings them. Selfish jobs like should be topping the aDPS and nDPS charts, which they are doing, but why also rDPS charts?

And anyway. I don't think the small differences in damage between dps jobs in the upper bracket is an issue. What I dislike far more is the huge difference in rDPS between the upper bracket and lower bracket of dps jobs.

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These discussions are always a bit confusing to me. From how I understand things, rDPS already moves all damage gained from external buffs to the person that brings them. Selfish jobs like should be topping the aDPS and nDPS charts, which they are doing, but why also rDPS charts?

And anyway. I don't think the small differences in damage between dps jobs in the upper bracket is an issue. What I dislike far more is the huge difference in rDPS between the upper bracket and lower bracket of dps jobs.

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Because a lot of people think that a damage buff is "utility" so they should be taxed for them. I don't know why this belief is so widespread, though.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

These discussions are always a bit confusing to me. From how I understand things, rDPS already moves all damage gained from external buffs to the person that brings them. Selfish jobs like should be topping the aDPS and nDPS charts, which they are doing, but why also rDPS charts?

And anyway. I don't think the small differences in damage between dps jobs in the upper bracket is an issue. What I dislike far more is the huge difference in rDPS between the upper bracket and lower bracket of dps jobs.

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Your understanding is correct. "Selfish" jobs should have higher aDPS/nDPS and lower rDPS than buffing jobs and vice versa: buffing jobs should be higher in the rDPS department and lower in the others.

Damage buffs are simply damage that is achieved through others as well as the user, and are not utility. Utility is anything else like a defensive.

Right now, VPR is overtuned because it's high in or topping the rDPS charts and is at the top of the aDPS department as well and above SAM even though VPR's damage is less bursty in comparison. BLM is also higher rDPS-wise than several buffing jobs in different percentiles.

Wow. Just wow. Now peoples trying to defend Pictos performance by nitpickings and redefinings the word "utility". Standard definition of "utility" has always been any abiltys whats buffs other party members IN ANY WAY. Until now apparently. Mao reminded of another game, Warhammers 40K, where some players would endlessly argue over definitions of words likes "and" or "or" in rulebooks. This is whats Mao seeing rights now happenings with Pictos. When peoples start gettings so defensive abouts Pictos being described as having utilitys, Mao wonders. Mao wonders. Now Mao nots saying that way to fix problem is to nerf Pictos buts SOMETHING has to be done to restore balance. Tryings to redefine the word "utility" is NOT going to convince peoples that is nothings to see here.

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Thanks. That clarifies things.

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The point is not "what is utility", but "what are you comparing". You can't compare rDPS AND add utility (in the form of damage buffs from external sources). That is counting those damage buffs twice. If you want to compare dps charts and go "yeah BLM should be higher because no utility", you need to look at nDPS or aDPS.

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Thanks. That clarifies things.



The point is not "what is utility", but "what are you comparing". You can't compare rDPS AND add utility (in the form of damage buffs from external sources). That is counting those damage buffs twice. If you want to compare dps charts and go "yeah BLM should be higher because no utility", you need to look at nDPS or aDPS.

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Mao post was nots about what dps was being dones. Mao post was about rediculous attempt to gaslights and redefine the word "utility".

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Wow. Just wow. Now peoples trying to defend Pictos performance by nitpickings and redefinings the word "utility". Standard definition of "utility" has always been any abiltys whats buffs other party members IN ANY WAY. Until now apparently. Mao reminded of another game, Warhammers 40K, where some players would endlessly argue over definitions of words likes "and" or "or" in rulebooks. This is whats Mao seeing rights now happenings with Pictos. When peoples start gettings so defensive abouts Pictos being described as having utilitys, Mao wonders. Mao wonders. Now Mao nots saying that way to fix problem is to nerf Pictos buts SOMETHING has to be done to restore balance. Tryings to redefine the word "utility" is NOT going to convince peoples that is nothings to see here.

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If Battle Litany is utility, so is Midare Setsugekka because they both lead to the same result: damage.

What's the point of a damage buff if you end up weaker than a selfish job even in coordinated groups? At that point a raid buff is just a penalty that always punishes and never rewards you. It's not that hard to understand.

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Mao post was nots about what dps was being dones. Mao post was about rediculous attempt to gaslights and redefine the word "utility".

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I've played games were utility basically meant "anything not doing or buffing damage or healing, or improving defenses", basically stuff outside of the 3 core functions of the trinity. So stuns, roots, interupts, movement abilities, resource management, stuff like that. I wasn't aware any concensus on the meaning of utility as "buffing your party in any way". Nor can I find any such strict definition on google.

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If Battle Litany is utility, so is Midare Setsugekka because they both lead to the same result: damage.

What's the point of a damage buff if you end up weaker than a selfish job even in coordinated groups? At that point a raid buff is just a penalty that always punishes and never rewards you. It's not that hard to understand.

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What so hard to understand abouts Mao post? Mao talkings about proper definition of word "utility". Mao nots concerned with dps. That for number crunchers to figures out. Mao just wants peoples to stop gaslightings about definition of "utility". Pictos HAS utility. So does any other job whats buffs, in any way, other peoples.

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I've played games were utility basically meant "anything not doing or buffing damage or healing, or improving defenses", basically stuff outside of the 3 core functions of the trinity. So stuns, roots, interupts, movement abilities, resource management, stuff like that. I wasn't aware any concensus on the meaning of utility as "buffing your party in any way". Nor can I find any such strict definition on google.

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Mao been playings D&D and other games like its for over 40 years. Is has been ALWAYS accepteds that "utility" was buffings other party members IN ANY WAY.

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Wow. Just wow. Now peoples trying to defend Pictos performance by nitpickings and redefinings the word "utility". Standard definition of "utility" has always been any abiltys whats buffs other party members IN ANY WAY. Until now apparently. Mao reminded of another game, Warhammers 40K, where some players would endlessly argue over definitions of words likes "and" or "or" in rulebooks. This is whats Mao seeing rights now happenings with Pictos. When peoples start gettings so defensive abouts Pictos being described as having utilitys, Mao wonders. Mao wonders. Now Mao nots saying that way to fix problem is to nerf Pictos buts SOMETHING has to be done to restore balance. Tryings to redefine the word "utility" is NOT going to convince peoples that is nothings to see here.

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Tempra grassa and the heal on star prism IS utility, nobody is arguing PCT has no utility, but a buff is not utility because it just leads to damage, the only time a buff might be considered utility is if it’s something like dance partner because with dance partner you can buff a specific person which leads to optimisation like feeding gear to the dance partner

But starry muse is not utility

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Originally Posted by Eraden

What so hard to understand abouts Mao post? Mao talkings about proper definition of word "utility". Mao nots concerned with dps. That for number crunchers to figures out. Mao just wants peoples to stop gaslightings about definition of "utility". Pictos HAS utility. So does any other job whats buffs, in any way, other peoples.

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That just isn’t how it is in 14, raw damage buffs aren’t utility in 14

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Mao been playings D&D and other games like its for over 40 years. Is has been ALWAYS accepteds that "utility" was buffings other party members IN ANY WAY.

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I look for "d&d what is utility" on google, the first website I find is https://www.dndlounge.com/utility-spells-5e/
That says: "Mostly, I mean “utility” as a kind of catchall for a spell that doesn’t deal damage, debuff enemies, or heal or buff allies."
So apparently even in D&D there isn't such a strong consencus as you claim.

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I look for "d&d what is utility" on google, the first website I find is https://www.dndlounge.com/utility-spells-5e/
That says: "Mostly, I mean “utility” as a kind of catchall for a spell that doesn’t deal damage, debuff enemies, or heal or buff allies."
So apparently even in D&D there isn't such a strong consencus as you claim.

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Wow! One post from ONE person. As opposed to the THOUSANDS of peoples Mao encountered over the years who agree abouts "utility" spells being anything that buffs party members in any way. No worries though. Mao startings to gets vibe from some of you that Mao gots from players nitpickings Warhammer 40K rules. Mao realizings is no point in arguing this further. Some of you gonna stick to your guns and keep saying damage buffs nots "utility". Mao will leave you all to continue your discussions.

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Wow! One post from ONE person. As opposed to the THOUSANDS of peoples Mao encountered over the years who agree abouts "utility" spells being anything that buffs party members in any way. No worries though. Mao startings to gets vibe from some of you that Mao gots from players nitpickings Warhammer 40K rules. Mao realizings is no point in arguing this further. Some of you gonna stick to your guns and keep saying damage buffs nots "utility". Mao will leave you all to continue your discussions.

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So I have to believe you on your word, without any proof. I've looked a bit further and none of things I could find suggest that "utility" is widely recognized as a word for any team buffs.

Going further down the google list:

https://www.cbr.com/dnd-best-classes-for-utility/ > implies utility is non-combat related
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/best-utility-spells-5e/ > "A utility spell refers to a spell that doesn’t have a function tied to combat."
https://www.thegamer.com/dungeons-dr...tility-spells/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comment...r_for_utility/ > states "buffing up other party mates" is one of multiple types of utility
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/utility-items-5e/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest items are party damage buffs
https://assortedmeeples.com/most-und...y-spells-dd-5e > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs
https://www.gamersdecide.com/article...utility-spells > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs

And chatgpt which is basically a combination of all opinions on the internet, with a bit of political correctness enforced, says:
In Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), a utility ability refers to a skill, spell, or feature that provides non-combat benefits or enhances the versatility of a character. Unlike offensive or defensive abilities, which focus on dealing damage or protecting the character, utility abilities are designed to solve problems, navigate environments, gather information, or interact with the world in ways that go beyond combat scenarios.

And it might be best not to enforce the Warhammer 40k jargon on FF14. And much less in such an agressive and condecending tone. That will just cause misunderunderstandings.

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So I have to believe you on your word, without any proof. I've looked a bit further and none of things I could find suggest that "utility" is widely recognized as a word for any team buffs.

Going further down the google list:

https://www.cbr.com/dnd-best-classes-for-utility/ > implies utility is non-combat related
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/best-utility-spells-5e/ > "A utility spell refers to a spell that doesn’t have a function tied to combat."
https://www.thegamer.com/dungeons-dr...tility-spells/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comment...r_for_utility/ > states "buffing up other party mates" is one of multiple types of utility
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/utility-items-5e/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest items are party damage buffs
https://assortedmeeples.com/most-und...y-spells-dd-5e > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs
https://www.gamersdecide.com/article...utility-spells > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs

And chatgpt which is basically a combination of all opinions on the internet, with a bit of political correctness enforced, says:
In Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), a utility ability refers to a skill, spell, or feature that provides non-combat benefits or enhances the versatility of a character. Unlike offensive or defensive abilities, which focus on dealing damage or protecting the character, utility abilities are designed to solve problems, navigate environments, gather information, or interact with the world in ways that go beyond combat scenarios.

And it might be best not to enforce the Warhammer 40k jargon on FF14. And much less in such an agressive and condecending tone. That will just cause misunderunderstandings.

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Is might want to look little bits closer at some of those sites. For example first site mentioned in list includes utility spells what DO buff damage capability of teammates (example: Cleric). Also, ChatGPT is not a very good source for infos. It can be hilariously wrong at times. If Mao comes off as condecendings, Mao apologizes. Mao nots want be rude. However, is concerning to Mao that many here seem to want to ignore obvious attractiveness of a job whats can buff damage output of entire party.

Personally I think PIC's damage right now is fine.
It is a very burst heavy job which benefits a lot from raid buffs, I haven't looked at the high parse score party set ups but I wouldn't be suprised if it was a raid buff heavy party. PCT filler is honestly pretty weak and rigid, I have only cleared M1S rn and I have to say during prog if I didn't do my burst perfectly my damage would drop down pretty fast. I don't really think PCT needs a nerf at all, its a lot like a ranged RPR or MNK, all 3 have great utility and buffs and most of their damage comes from their burst. I think the main reason BLM is suffering is because it just isn't a very good burst job so in comparison to PCT when you see those periods of insane damage it may look overtuned. Again I think its literally just the 2 minute meta plague thats causing the balance to become scuffed, its the reason why BRD and BLM both have seemingly awful damage, they aren't burst jobs but they're being forced to be them.

Is BLM damage that awful? Seems fine looking at a/nDPS at least.

BLM feels horrible because of picto..
I just leveled my Picto to 100..

My picto already do more damage than my BLM even I am just picking the job with no raid buffs

Numbers are too high with 1.5 cast time which is dumb idea by balance team.

Why bothering playing BLM?

job feels so punishing for 0 reward

picto broke the game already

I didn't even mention the party utility that Picto can provide..

it is just a dumb idea to release the job without testing

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My picto already do more damage than my BLM even I am just picking the job with no raid buffs

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This isn't really support by available statistics.
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62#dpstype=pdps
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62#dpstype=ndps

If you do more damage with PCT, could be you're a much better PCT player then a BLM player? Or do you mean AoE damage (so dungeons), then I agree PCT AoE seems a bit overtuned for AoE damage.

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This isn't really support by available statistics.
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62#dpstype=pdps
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62#dpstype=ndps

If you do more damage with PCT, could be you're a much better PCT player then a BLM player? Or do you mean AoE damage (so dungeons), then I agree PCT AoE seems a bit overtuned for AoE damage.

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lol i play BLM 3 expansions at the highest level..

I know different openers perform at perfect uptime

I just got to M1 savage dummy.

I did the same what I did but still Picto do more damage even when the gear is same.

PCT has more burst,
PCT has more utility,
PCT has more mobility,
PCT do more damage, and I don't believe your statistic website

BLM is in the worst state ever been not only because of PCT but changes are so bad

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PCT has more burst,
PCT has more utility,
PCT has more mobility,
PCT do more damage, and I don't believe your statistic website

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You don’t have to like it, but those stats are legit.

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BLM feels horrible because of picto..
I just leveled my Picto to 100..

My picto already do more damage than my BLM even I am just picking the job with no raid buffs

Numbers are too high with 1.5 cast time which is dumb idea by balance team.

Why bothering playing BLM?

job feels so punishing for 0 reward

picto broke the game already

I didn't even mention the party utility that Picto can provide..

it is just a dumb idea to release the job without testing

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I think most of us agree that BLM is still in need of a lot of help and needs a buff but nerfing Picto isn't going to help BLM. Nerfing Picto will only hurt Picto bc if it gets nerfed to be below melee damage then Picto will never have a spot in a party. Picto and BLM both never will be considered for the caster spot because they don't have rez. The only spot on a team these two will have is the flex spot. A rez is the only party unititly ppl in this community care about when it comes to casters. Trust me I know because I have been asked by a lot of groups to switch to a smn(a job I hate now) just bc we needed a rez mage.

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Originally Posted by MrJPtheAssassin

I think most of us agree that BLM is still in need of a lot of help and needs a buff but nerfing Picto isn't going to help BLM. Nerfing Picto will only hurt Picto bc if it gets nerfed to be below melee damage then Picto will never have a spot in a party. Picto and BLM both never will be considered for the caster spot because they don't have rez. The only spot on a team these two will have is the flex spot. A rez is the only party unititly ppl in this community care about when it comes to casters. Trust me I know because I have been asked by a lot of groups to switch to a smn(a job I hate now) just bc we needed a rez mage.

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I didn't mention that PCT needs a nerf..

No but it needs to be caster you know? 2.5 sec like BLM

why someone would play BLM when you got job that is more mobile do more damage and more utility?

BLM dmg buff won't hide mobility point either.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

I didn't mention that PCT needs a nerf..

No but it needs to be caster you know? 2.5 sec like BLM

why someone would play BLM when you got job that is more mobile do more damage and more utility?

BLM dmg buff won't hide mobility point either.

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Because they enjoy BLM? Again most of us believe BLM damage needs a buff. I think BLM should be doing sam DPS but I also think Picto should be doing DPS equal to melee jobs that have the same utility. Picto should be on par with rpr/nin/drg/mnk. If you not asking for picto to be nerfed then what are you asking for? They not going to charge its casting numbers. The only thing devs will do is nerf its numbers and if they do that we be in a situation of "Why bother playing Picto when you can play SMN/Rdm. They have a lot better movement, and a rez"

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Originally Posted by nalgene

Is BLM damage that awful? Seems fine looking at a/nDPS at least.

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Sadly nDPS doesn't matter that much in the game right now compared to rDPS/aDPS, if nDPS was as important as rDPS/aDPS then machinist would be killing it right now. Due to how burst focused the entire game is right now sadly that isn't happening.