So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

Still spinning wheels and doing nothing more than complaining, I see. Nitpicking over .x patch content isn't going to yield anything. If you've been around long enough, you should know the pattern by now. It's a 4 month cycle for major releases. Yet here you are whining about the tribe quests.

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Still spinning wheels and doing nothing more than complaining, I see. Nitpicking over .x patch content isn't going to yield anything. If you've been around long enough, you should know the pattern by now. It's a 4 month cycle for major releases. Yet here you are whining about the tribe quests.

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Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous tbh. While I can understand wishing we got the relic quest starting in x.15 like we did long ago (since it'd be outclassed by the time of x.2 anyway), it hasn't been that way since...Heavensward? Since Eureka Anemos was added in 4.25.

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Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous tbh. While I can understand wishing we got the relic quest starting in x.15 like we did long ago (since it'd be outclassed by the time of x.2 anyway), it hasn't been that way since...Heavensward? Since Eureka Anemos was added in 4.25.

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I personally think, especially with how many jobs there are - and if they keep adding 2 per expansion, that they really should aim to have the relics starting in the X.15 patch at the latest. That way people can take their time with getting them all done, and not burn out on the content(I honestly never want to go into Bozja again, but I have a few achievements to get in there still - mostly the duels, and about another 20-30 CEs) by trying to cram it into the last section of an expansions life. It might help with longevity of content through the expansion, especially if it's a special zone like Eureka or Bozja were.

have been playing this content sence arr and always been busy doing the content so much to do and build on i have capped my jobs four times sence arr 50-60-70-80-90 and all the gear upgrades involvedso i am a very happy game vet and look forward to upgrading my relics from 590-600 when it becomes available this year.

Technically for this patch the long last content are: Endsinger's Aria, Unreal, Dragonsong Ultimate, Ameliance Custom Deliveries, PvP Malmstones and Hippo Ridders Tribe quests but whether those are enough to quench you it is a different thing, it's no one fault if you want to clear all those on day one.

This game hasn't had good long lasting content since heavensward. I'm just used to it by now.

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I personally think, especially with how many jobs there are - and if they keep adding 2 per expansion, that they really should aim to have the relics starting in the X.15 patch at the latest. That way people can take their time with getting them all done, and not burn out on the content(I honestly never want to go into Bozja again, but I have a few achievements to get in there still - mostly the duels, and about another 20-30 CEs) by trying to cram it into the last section of an expansions life. It might help with longevity of content through the expansion, especially if it's a special zone like Eureka or Bozja were.

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ShB was my first attempt at getting relics and it really wasn't that bad filling in all the jobs. As things progressed, earlier stages became easier. You don't even have to play all the jobs anymore. I had only intended to do a few jobs, but ended up with enough time to get all of them done.

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This game hasn't had good long lasting content since heavensward. I'm just used to it by now.

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I hear heavensward and long lasting content and I only think of diadem 1.0, haha.

Alas, I believe the consensus on that piece of content was that it was a mistake, so maybe once again heavensward is influencing the game.

None of these games will ever have enough content for these types of folks.

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I hear heavensward and long lasting content and I only think of diadem 1.0, haha.

Alas, I believe the consensus on that piece of content was that it was a mistake, so maybe once again heavensward is influencing the game.

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The only other thing I think of in terms of longer-lasting and Heavensward is the deep dungeon, but I'm not entirely sure how people could view that as long-lasting, yet not view Bozja or Eureka in the same manner. Beyond this, I can only think of the artificially extended gear gating for crafters.

If it isn't there then I can only think of the fact that the Anima weapon being released in patch 3.15 as being the biggest 'influence' on this, where recently Anemos was 4.25, and Bozha 5.35, if memory recall is correct.

the content is to not play this game and play something else

people really out here being like you can't have long lasting content when we literally still have people doing POTD and HOH runs years later. hell somebody recently soloed HOH with arcanist https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...r_on_arcanist/ . not to mention with them evolving on previous content bozja was a success keeping players for quite a while between the two maps (almost half a year before drop offs) thats long lasting content. not a ducking beast tribe which we couldn't even get at launch thats time gated

people really need to get their minds straight and understand what long lasting content ACTUALLY means not what companies use as psychological traps. a daily FORCED grind is the worst way to do it we all know this so stop bringing it up ffs. time gated content is a horrible way to do it and is only acceptable for content like savages cause it has tied gear progression to it. and even thats debatable since it's useless when the next tier comes out thanks to them not being able to be used and crafted kits being the needed gear to day 1 savage. not to mention it was loot locked weekly for FIVE months. in a game with RNG loot distribution and wanting to promote players to play multiple jobs that just doesn't make sense.

now as i'll restate time and time again. bozja and current eureka are great examples of longer lasting content. they took boring mechanics like fates and added onto them. they had their own systems and combat mechanics which had depth and unique interactions with jobs. they had their own in zone progression which promotes you to come back and level up not only to keep up with their stories (hell even POTD had a mini story as you went up the 100 floors.) but to level yourselves further to make grinds easier (achievements, glamours, mounts, minions, etc...). you also notice what you don't see in bozja? time gated content each zone was able to be 100%ed when it released which held people over til the next zone or relic step was released.

it's not hard to make side content long lasting hell bozja lasted almost half a year between it's two zones imagine if they took bozja and worked on it more added more to player retention, more reasons to keep up with it, etc... i could easily see bozja remaining popular for a year.

also it's not on US the players to do everything for yoshi-p and the dev team we shouldn't have to sit here and craft bozja 2.0. thats for them to do we can only say we see a lack of long lasting current content and hope they make bozja 2.0 for current content. and thats another thing. you go play BLM at level 50 and tell me it's fun compared to level 90. stop saying just do synced content there are jobs that just aren't made for lower level content anymore. and for those who want to play their jobs at their strongest why should they be punished? literally why? why not add a way for bozja and eureka to scale up to current level? or releasing a bozja 2.0 earlier?

hell just makign the mobs/fights scale for level 90 jobs in eureka and bozja, would prolly be easier than making a bozja 2.0. and would allow people to see what their 90 kits can do which would save them the trouble of leveling another 30 levels if they see how it plays at end game. also free trial players still couldn't access it since it's STB content. or unreals which i keep saying was a step in the right direction just allow them to drop their older fights mounts and we have a level 90 way to do ARR fights without sitting here and 2 shotting it solo unsynced. or playing with a heavily gimped kit to actually see the fight.

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I think calling Beast Tribe quests long lasting content is arguable, because it literally prevents you from doing it more than once a day.

Sure, it gets you to log in, for the 10 minutes you spend on the daily quests. It is however easy exp once a day which gives it some longevity even after you have max reputation, so I'll give it that.

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So then how do you personally define lasting content? What is it you're looking for?

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This game hasn't had good long lasting content since heavensward. I'm just used to it by now.

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What content in Heavensward did you consider good lasting content? What makes content being released now different?

There's only so much content that can be produced at any given time and something to understand is that MMO developers are generally some number of builds ahead. Work has likely already begun on 7.0 elements. They've been working on the next tier of raids, dungeons, alliance. How long it lasts is ultimately up to each player. This is how it's been and how it will always be. This is what it is to work on / play an MMO. That they have a schedule to gradually feed us content is a great improvement over the way things are / were for older games.

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If you're a player that is interested in engaging healing, you're out of luck.

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Newer players don't seem to feel that way: https://youtu.be/U1LbNJy_Ibo?t=583

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Newer players don't seem to feel that way: https://youtu.be/U1LbNJy_Ibo?t=583

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the man literally brought up MP management which outside of chain rezzing or spamming your heals for some god forsaken reason. is nearly negligible at all levels just using lucid dreaming on CD literally not even getting maximum use out of just using it on CD will make you not run out of MP. LITERALLY IN THE GAMEPLAY HE HAS 0 MP MANAGEMENT HE WAS NEVER AT RISK OF LOSING ALL HIS MANA. just like he brings up how it's refreshing that fights are more strict set timings so you can preplan and optimize. thats fine if you give healers more to do inbetween each set healing point. if not you fall into the trap of just doing 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 with the occasionally heal/regen on tank. the issue once again is not the core mechanics of healing being hard. especially when you sit there and go RAIDWIDE IN T MINUS 5 SECONDS at 5 minutes in the fight everytime at 5minutes. and it's consistent between EVERY fight emphasis on EVERY fight. every fight is basically an on rails shooter in terms of mechanic timing and variance. which is why it is better for preplanning healing but without stuff to do because healing is so planned out the gameplay of healers can get stale quicker than other jobs. this man literally said healers are made to be secondary DPS what kinda world do you live in that hitting one button over and over again is being designed as a DPS in any capacity?

also once again if you have to have bad players to learn your job or get enjoyment out of a job somethings wrong. i don't get why people still defend this point time and time again it's bad design regardless. if the job/role doesn't feel to good play at all skill levels then something needs to be looked at especially if you're not gonna make jobs for different skill levels within their own role.

Sorry pikalovr but the daily grind isn't forced by any means. I really hate when folks use that word. Your opinion of long lasting content is just that, your opinion. So that whole "people need to get their minds straight" bit isn't needed nor warranted. You have those issue were folks have to see things exactly like you do and that's not healthy for a fair discussion. Ocean fishing may be long lasting content to one while not as such to the next person. Neither are wrong. It's about perspective.

Far as classes being fun at 50, that's again purely subjective. I'd also love to see some facts that lend toward certain classes not being made for low end content. A class not being fun to you at 50 doesn't mean. It wasn't made for being played at 50. Just saying.

Also why does, Boz need to be scaled up to 90 exactly? It's level 80 content. You say it let's folks use their kits, I say step out of Bozja and do that (as per the design). I say the same for POTD and HOH. Leave the level caps as they are. If you want to practice with higher kits do the content made for that. As far as saving people time, if you hit 70 with a class and STILL aren't sure about it you might as well just drop the class imo.

Id rather they focus on giving us 90 content instead of wasting time rebalancing old content that already still gets enough traction. Boz has already (imo from what I've seen) probably killed alot of the traction the new deep dungeon is gonna get due to many already using Boz to max out all classes. Most of Eurekas traffic now is just bunny farming and even that has been overtaken by bots. I'd be willing to bet folks wouldn't touch it much at all if you could get those relics via outside means and bunnies weren't a thing.

All in all to reiterate long lasting isn't a clear cut as it may seem. To me if it can be done and repeated that's enough to call it long lasting. Ofc others will see it differently as per the nature of perspectives

They'll never create enough content as fast as people can consume it, but what they can do is tend to the mmo part of the game, by creating content that is repeatable and that offers unique interesting rewards and challenges. IMO the game lacks the group content you'd normally find in an mmo (M+ as an example) with an incentive to do it. IMO 14 really shows the limited avenues for character power progression and gearing, plus all progression is reset each time new crafted gear comes out and so the result is a lack of incentive to do any content (unless its levelling other jobs to 90 by doing the same old content over and over, and once you have everything to 90, you have even less content). Also, if they added some traditional mmo loops, content might not arrive and expire as fast as it does now. :)

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They'll never create enough content as fast as people can consume it, but what they can do is tend to the mmo part of the game, by creating content that is repeatable and that offers unique interesting rewards and challenges. IMO the game lacks the group content you'd normally find in an mmo (M+ as an example) with an incentive to do it. IMO 14 really shows the limited avenues for character power progression and gearing, plus all progression is reset each time new crafted gear comes out and so the result is a lack of incentive to do any content (unless its levelling other jobs to 90 by doing the same old content over and over, and once you have everything to 90, you have even less content). Also, if they added some traditional mmo loops, content might not arrive and expire as fast as it does now. :)

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I'm confused. Unique rewards wouldn't make content any less boring if it becomes boring due to doing it so much. You could give me different things everytime I do yet if I've done something 20 times it can still be just as boring.

Progression isn't reset as you call it, that makes it seem as though the progression doesnt matter which isn't the case. Can I stick with 89 gear and be fine to do everything going forth in EW. Not at all. At some point you'll have to get in there and swap it up. You gear up for the current content of that Era. Only makes sense to me.

As for unique challenge that seems to be their aim with Criterion. So I'm holding hope for that. And while I could see the outlook of having less to do at 90, that's a tad 2 fold. Factually there's less 90 content in the game than anything else which will be the case for awhile. That doesn't however mean you can't run things under 90 despite being max. By that logic folks at 90 have the most to do in game (provided it interests you ofc).

That traditional mmo loops bit I don't fully know what you mean by that, but traditional mmos usually have overbearingly long grinds and FOMO mess that im not to keen on.

What I mean by reset is, for example if you beat some or all the savage fights, you get gear that is initially better than tome gear. After a couple of months with a combination of tome gear and savage gear, you will have BIS gear. When the next savage tier releases (after the one you just did) they release new crafted gear which will beat the gear you worked for in the previous savage tier, which kinda feels like ‘why bother’, if you’re doing savage for the gear. Also outside of ultimate, there’s no content that needs savage gear.

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What I mean by reset is, for example if you beat some or all the savage fights, you get gear that is initially better than tome gear. After a couple of months with a combination of tome gear and savage gear, you will have BIS gear. When the next savage tier releases (after the one you just did) they release new crafted gear which will beat the gear you worked for in the previous savage tier, which kinda feels like ‘why bother’, if you’re doing savage for the gear. Also outside of ultimate, there’s no content that needs savage gear.

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That wouldn't be akin to progression reseting. Not to me at least. BUT that part there is the key. "Why bother?". That answer is gonna vary widely by the player. Savage has no shortage of folks doing it despite knowing that gear won't last forever. Some do it for fun, some do it for the exclusive weapons, some do it for the dyable gear, some for bragging rights, some for the challenge. Some all of the above.
There's no content that needs ultimate weapons either yet that doesn't stop folks from doing it ya know? It's all on shat the player wants out of it.

For me? Savage is to stressful so I don't touch it for that reason alone

True :)

I just want more mid core light party content that is fast and accessible to run in pugs which you can repeat and gives you reasons to repeat it, it doesn’t have to reward gear, it could reward glams, mounts, pets, other stuff. Content would last longer if people had incentives and reasons to rerun it and would give SE more budget to develop other things, because people might stay subbed for longer periods.

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it sure does seem that thats what everyone thinks we want, literally looking at most of the responses here when they ask what we want. what do they bring up not bozja not eureka or any other content almost immediately "so you want daily forced content?". which is what it was aimed at, and yes daily roulettes are in fact artifically forced if you want to stack up rewards from them (mainly the materia trade-ins) cause you have no way to save up and come back say once a week and get more materials. lostark does have a system like this by letting you at least get double drops from content every 3 days you're away up to a cap of course a week. if it wasn't for the fact that you locked a game mechanics drops to a daily roulette. pentamelding or just melding in general since you can specifically get the materias you want with the trade ins. how many max level players would even attempt it? think about it. just cause it's not forced on you if you don't meld or use it to level. doesn't mean it's not made to be artifically forced for other players. or are we just supposed go based off your experience? hmm sounds familiar now doesn't it.

you really want me to poll every BLM in the game? or go with the general consensus that BLM is literally a different job every 10 levels between 50-70? which is already proving my point. if you want to play level 90 BLM why would you sync yourself to 50 and be playing an almost completely different job? stop coming in here with "wheres your proof" where's yours? i literally have the general consensus on my side what's your proof? or can you not do that? don't ask for proof when you yourself can't even provide any solid counterpoints or proof

bozja needs to be scaled to 90 cause if you're bringing eureka up it makes sense to bring the other one up as well we're already getting a level 90 deep dungeon so HOH and POTD are fine and prolly will remain fine since they're just quick little things for you to do and barely get anything out of compared to something on a larger scale like spawning NMs or farming solo CEs in bozja/eureka. the only thing i'd want to see for POTD and HOH is the option to just load a 1-200/1-100 floor instance with a rest floor every 10 that you can save your progress and leave if you want but not have to redo the whole que system even tho you're playing solo. if you want to practice with your end game kit do the end game content. are you... are you serious rn? we're literally complaining about the fact we have almost no end game content TO USE OUR KITS IN NOT PRACTICE. you can practice your kit literally at any training dummy or SSS. thats been covered for years

thats why you work on them. you don't just throw them out, keep them current. add more to achieve or work towards, work on issues people have with it etc... so while you work on the next big thing players can go back and do other things that are scaled to their levels. also once again it's literally less dev time overall to scale mobs/encounters up and add a few more glam, minion, mount grinds (hell you get basically nothing for reaching max level and medals in bozja) than making an entirely new zone from scratch. we shouldn't really be worrying about dev time when the game literally accounts for majority of SEs profits but i digress.

at that point i can just set a hoop and stick in front of you and say pay me 15$ a month to tap the hoop with the stick. it's almost as if why over the years there's been generalizations/rules of what is to be expected when people bring up certain things. are there things that break those generalizations/rules? yes. but when you talk about development and making content the terms are usually set in stone unless there's a really good reason for it to be used in another way.

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Youre basically advocating for all content to be brought up to max and worth doing (subjective). And while that isnt exactly an issue, I personally dont think thats the best way forward. No content is just thrown away mind you (unless removed from the game akin to Feast or old Diadem), thats a player made choice outside of that. And you SAY you have the general consensus yet I've yet to see you post that tbf. Not saying youre lying, just pointing that out. But let's say we go by that
Is it really so bad that you wasted time on a class you ended up not liking...in a genre designed to basically waste time? Not really imo. And you keep bringing up this "forced" bs. Do you not know what that word means? What about dailies and roulettes makes you do something against your will? What about the game at large? News flash, NOTHING. You have the choice to farm, you have the choice to do dailies, you have the choice to do EX, Savage, craft, gather, the whole 9 yards. And no your little maneuver to saying "artificially forcing" holds no weight either. And you made the claim first that certain classes aren't made for 50 content. I asked for some proof of this and your response is "well where is your proof?". Lol YOU MADE THE CLAIM FIRST XD. But I'll humor you. I could hop into a discord at some point and run every piece of 50 content with every class (Blu included) and show you they ALL do perfectly fine. You can argue you don't like how certain things FEEL at 50 and how some jobs could have some skills added or swapped. But you can't claim anything in the game isn't made for 50 content.

Also sorry but myself and many others would MUCH rather have new content rather than costanly updated old content. Ofc if the scenario was one or the other. Oh and we SHOULD be worrying about dev time as they are people at the end of the day, not machines. Xiv may print money doesn't xiv is getting all or even most of it.

Idk what it is dude. You really have an issue with folks not agreeing with you. Also how does ANY of what's being discussed equate to a hoop and a stick? Or is that your clever attempt at a jab by saying I'll accept garbage?

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I just want more mid core light party content that is fast and accessible to run in pugs which you can repeat and gives you reasons to repeat it, it doesn’t have to reward gear, it could reward glams, mounts, pets, other stuff. Content would last longer if people had incentives and reasons to rerun it and would give SE more budget to develop other things, because people might stay subbed for longer periods.

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.......this is already a thing.

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.......this is already a thing.

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Where exactly? The closest I can think of is deep dungeons, and that's a little eh, considering how it scales and can be done solo, not to mention the general *lack* of rewards from it.

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Where exactly? The closest I can think of is deep dungeons, and that's a little eh, considering how it scales and can be done solo, not to mention the general *lack* of rewards from it.

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Savage Rewards Mounts. Sure not ALL of them I think, but they do.
Gear is also Glamour, and some Savage Fights reward Unique Glamours...Sigmascape and Alphascape for example. Even the Current Pandemonium Savage.

You can say I jumped the shark a lil bit, because I dont think..or I dont remembered if Savage gives misc rewards or Pets. But EX fights and Dungeons do.
So most if not all content does have Rewards that would encourage replayablility.
Just...it always comes down to...do you want to do it.

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Where exactly? The closest I can think of is deep dungeons, and that's a little eh, considering how it scales and can be done solo, not to mention the general *lack* of rewards from it.

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Ehh while potd n such CAN be done solo there's a reason the title from that is rare. There's alot of stuff to get from those but the better loot is from the higher floors. Ofc the new deep dungeon were getting will probably follow suit. Potd to 200/HoH to 100 has probably some of the most fun I've had in xiv with friends (though it seems floor 183 is our bane lmao).

In FFXVI.
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Everytime someone has brought up a lack of content in EW or low quality content people have brought up how we’re getting the Tataru quests and the Omega quests. So, i gave the benefit of the doubt and said okay maybe this will be fully fleshed out long lasting quests. I guess i was wrong. Completed both in about an hour and a half…. So where exactly is all this new long lasting content? We still have to wait until what, July or August for 6.2?

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Umm...everywhere? I've been playing regularly since about 2017 or 2018 and I *still* have a laundry list of things I'm looking to do...

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Umm...everywhere? I've been playing regularly since about 2017 or 2018 and I *still* have a laundry list of things I'm looking to do...

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Been playing since launch and I didn't run out of things to do as much as I ran out of inventory and dread the thought of even starting the blue mage or unlocking other jobs in fear of destroying what little space I have left.

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Savage Rewards Mounts. Sure not ALL of them I think, but they do.
Gear is also Glamour, and some Savage Fights reward Unique Glamours...Sigmascape and Alphascape for example. Even the Current Pandemonium Savage.

You can say I jumped the shark a lil bit, because I dont think..or I dont remembered if Savage gives misc rewards or Pets. But EX fights and Dungeons do.
So most if not all content does have Rewards that would encourage replayablility.
Just...it always comes down to...do you want to do it.

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The guy you replied to initially specified "Light Party" aka four man. Savage is 8 man.

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The guy you replied to initially specified "Light Party" aka four man. Savage is 8 man.

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I also Mentioned Dungeons.

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I also Mentioned Dungeons.

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I don't know that I would call the one new dungeon every 4 months "midcore" content, especially since it is designed with the most casual of players in mind for completing it.

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I also Mentioned Dungeons.

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The dungeons are a total joke, considering tanks can basically solo them. That's bottom of the barrel casual content, not anywhere near midcore.

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I don't know that I would call the one new dungeon every 4 months "midcore" content, especially since it is designed with the most casual of players in mind for completing it.

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The dungeons are a total joke, considering tanks can basically solo them. That's bottom of the barrel casual content, not anywhere near midcore.

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Lol, I wasn't even talking about nor did I mention Good Midcore Content.
My point was there is already content in the game; to be clear that is 4-man, that does drop different rewards that offers Replayability.

Also its not Dungeon Design that allows Tanks (Or lets be real, you mean Warrior) to Solo, its the Overtuned Job Design. So Dungeons do either need to become punishing hardcore/Savage, or Tanks (Again..specifically Warrior) needs to be Nerfed.

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Lol, I wasn't even talking about nor did I mention Good Midcore Content.
My point was there is already content in the game; to be clear that is 4-man, that does drop different rewards that offers Replayability.

Also its not Dungeon Design that allows Tanks (Or lets be real, you mean Warrior) to Solo, its the Overtuned Job Design. So Dungeons do either need to become punishing hardcore/Savage, or Tanks (Again..specifically Warrior) needs to be Nerfed.

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The original post that sparked the whole conversation was about the lack of midcore content for light parties, thus our reference to it.

As for dungeons, you'd have to nerf healing on GNB, PLD, and WAR tanks to accomplish that. I more blame how low consequence most mechanics are in the level 90 dungeons moreso than tanks being able to solo the bosses if everyone dies. If tankbusters actually did damage and AoEs had consequence instead of throwing a single heal out to deal with them then you might see the ability for tanks to solo bosses go down a lot. Honestly we need more mechanics like in Dead Ends that give fun things like doom or the esunable debuff from the first boss or much harder ticking dots than what the first boss in the new dungeon does to add a little bit of consequence to mechanics.

With midcore I mean some light party content, which can be pugged, which is challenging (but not savage level challenging), engaging and that offers unique rewards. Content that takes 1 hour max (with most of the time being less) and isn’t like savage where you can spend 5 hours continually wiping to the same mechanic and never clear the fight, and therefore feeling like you achieved nothing lol. Plus it should be repeatable without reward lockouts.

Content in 14 goes 99% easy to 1% hitting your head against the wall. Extreme trials die about 1 to 2 weeks after release and don’t last, plus they’re only really worth doing if you want the mount.

Therefore if you choose not to do savage (don’t blame you if you don’t lol) there is nothing left except running expert dungeons to cap on tomes, and because the cap is so low, you’re done after a couple of runs, plus expert dungeons are too easy, with nothing dynamic about them and offer no interesting rewards, plus really bad gear.

There’s also an argument to say, if you don’t want to do savage, why bother getting tome gear anyway - you might as well buy crafted off the MB and that will be more than enough ilevel for every other piece of content until the next crafted gear comes out.

On one hand it’s nice that in 14, at the endgame, no content is mandatory and there’s no required treadmill, but for me this generates a lot of “why bother” situations.

If you’re in it just for the story and levelling all your jobs +10 levels, that’s completely fine, but when you’ve been around a few expansions you kinda want more, and wonder if 14 is really just a solo experience with a bit of group content tacked on, e.g a lite mmo?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I think calling Beast Tribe quests long lasting content is arguable, because it literally prevents you from doing it more than once a day.

Sure, it gets you to log in, for the 10 minutes you spend on the daily quests. It is however easy exp once a day which gives it some longevity even after you have max reputation, so I'll give it that.

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This is what I meant, I can't explain stuff man spare me :(

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

IMO the game lacks the group content you'd normally find in an mmo (M+ as an example) with an incentive to do it

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When did M+ become normal content for open world, theme park MMOs? Granted I haven't played all the MMOs out there but I don't know of any other than WoW that has anything similar to it (probably because of the toxicity the system has ended up generating).

WoW's success did some major damage to the MMORPG genre because too many players think that if a game doesn't clone WoW systems it's trash.

We don't need endless borrowed power systems. We don't need ARPG style loot farms where maybe you get lucky and get a useful item after 100 hours of farming.

There are reasons a lot of us left WoW and have no desire to return. Let's not bring those things here.

The player base for MMORPGs is aging. It has responsibilities it didn't have when it was composed primarily of fresh out of high school kids and so doesn't have as much time to devote to games. If you're a fortunate person who does have all that extra time and a game doesn't have enough content to keep you occupied, there's a very simple solution - play many different games instead of looking toward a single game to fill all your gaming needs. It's okay for games to run out of content. You can stop paying then return when more content is added.

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

With midcore I mean some light party content, which can be pugged, which is challenging (but not savage level challenging), engaging and that offers unique rewards. Content that takes 1 hour max (with most of the time being less) and isn’t like savage where you can spend 5 hours continually wiping to the same mechanic and never clear the fight, and therefore feeling like you achieved nothing lol. Plus it should be repeatable without reward lockouts.

Content in 14 goes 99% easy to 1% hitting your head against the wall. Extreme trials die about 1 to 2 weeks after release and don’t last, plus they’re only really worth doing if you want the mount.

Therefore if you choose not to do savage (don’t blame you if you don’t lol) there is nothing left except running expert dungeons to cap on tomes, and because the cap is so low, you’re done after a couple of runs, plus expert dungeons are too easy, with nothing dynamic about them and offer no interesting rewards, plus really bad gear.

There’s also an argument to say, if you don’t want to do savage, why bother getting tome gear anyway - you might as well buy crafted off the MB and that will be more than enough ilevel for every other piece of content until the next crafted gear comes out.

On one hand it’s nice that in 14, at the endgame, no content is mandatory and there’s no required treadmill, but for me this generates a lot of “why bother” situations.

If you’re in it just for the story and levelling all your jobs +10 levels, that’s completely fine, but when you’ve been around a few expansions you kinda want more, and wonder if 14 is really just a solo experience with a bit of group content tacked on, e.g a lite mmo?

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In the end, it depends on what content appeals to you.

For me the game has a solo experience but it isn't most of the game because I spend a large amount of time on Hunts. Need lasting content? There you go because there are achievements that take months if not years to earn (depending on how much time you can play in a day). I've long since gotten my 10k Rank A achievements because I do a lot of train conducting. The S rank achievements, on the other hand, are way behind because I play multiple characters, don't tend to hop worlds for S ranks, and also enjoy other content. I'm about 1150 into the 2000 S rank achievement and a couple of hundred each on the ShB and EW specific 1000 S rank achievements. I've still got long term goals to work towards if I want the related mounts.

For me, it's a little strange that players come to play an open world MMO then ignore that open world content in favor of playing only the lobby game (dungeon/raid spamming). I mean that's fine if that's the content that appeals to you but it gets weird when someone only does that content then complains about the game not really being a MMO.