Nier raid 2b outfit rant.

... It's been three days, people. Three. 72 hours.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I wonder, if they do the same thing with savage content, would that get people to actually learn how to play their jobs and clear hard content just for a cute outfit?

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No.

What would happen is probably one of the follow threads:

SE should be ashamed of putting glamour gear locked behind Savage

How am I supposed to unlock the new glamour and take care of my 72 children?

New Savage glamour outfit rant.

Whoever thought about this idea...
... should probably be fired.

Is it just me that hate the new Savage?

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

... It's been three days, people. Three. 72 hours.

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"But I want it and I want it NOW! In 2-3 years no ones gonna wanna run this content as often ... that's like, right around the corner!"

Yeah, people nee to chill. I'm sure in a month it's gonna be hella easy to win one on one of your gear grind runs cause no one's gonna be rolling on it.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Yeah, people nee to chill. I'm sure in a month it's gonna be hella easy to win one on one of your gear grind runs cause no one's gonna be rolling on it.

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I forget that only 24 people play the raid. It took til late HW before most of he alliance stopped rolling on the CoD.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

No.

What would happen is probably one of the follow threads:

SE should be ashamed of putting glamour gear locked behind Savage

How am I supposed to unlock the new glamour and take care of my 72 children?

New Savage glamour outfit rant.

Whoever thought about this idea...
... should probably be fired.

Is it just me that hate the new Savage?

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Well, savage does already have its own rewards.

Want dyable raid gear? Run savage.

Want weapons that go along with that raid gear? Run savage.

Want cool mounts like Omega or Air Force 1? Run savage.

Plus the Ultimate wepaons.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

I forget that only 24 people play the raid. It took til late HW before most of he alliance stopped rolling on the CoD.

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The minions weren't 100% droprate and only one drops at a time.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The minions weren't 100% droprate and only one drops at a time.

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Minions can only be obtained once though.
People have seen others wearing the glamoured set rolling on the coffers again.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

Minions can only be obtained once though.
People have seen others wearing the glamoured set rolling on the coffers again.

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I really wouldn't take people's word on that at face value.
And believe it or not there's actually valid reasons to want more than one set.
Like to save on pure whites and jet blacks, instead of devoting 1 of your 15 glam plates to one of these expensive dyes you can just have both sets fully dyed pure white and jet black in your dresser. That's something I'm thinking about doing.

Also for forgetful people who may mistakenly blow up a part of the glam. I can't remember how many times I oopiesed an important lvl 80 gear. Hell, I've lost mog-station glams that I put in my dresser after moving around dresser stuff. I can see it now, I take it out the 2B set to put on some custom turn in NPC, forget about it being in outside of the dresser, run out of room when I'm doing something important annnnnd "Wait, what were those gloves I just tossed???".

I plan to get a 2nd set for the above reasons. Right now? Nope, I got one and I'm good on raiding til the reset or unless my friends wanna farm it tmr ... and part of the reason I WOULD farm it with them is to give them an edge in loot as I have a gear and coffer already. But at some point I'm gonna try for a 2nd.

Hopefully SE makes unlocking a coffer become a proper quest reward so you can just rebuy the set.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

Minions can only be obtained once though.
People have seen others wearing the glamoured set rolling on the coffers again.

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minion in 24 man dungeons used to be a very rare drop before square nerfed them for future dungeons, butt outfit drops always.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

Minions can only be obtained once though.
People have seen others wearing the glamoured set rolling on the coffers again.

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I lost it last night on a roll of 95 to someone already wearing it. Not terribly upset (I'm not actively farming, just hit it up a second time because I was bored, and I'll be back weekly for the upgrade coin anyway), but still, feels like a dick move.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I lost it last night on a roll of 95 to someone already wearing it. Not terribly upset (I'm not actively farming, just hit it up a second time because I was bored, and I'll be back weekly for the upgrade coin anyway), but still, feels like a dick move.

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When farming trials with pugs, everybody will roll on all weapons even on jobs they haven't yet unlocked, this has been a thing since the beginning of time.



Stuff like this doesn't feel like a dick move to me, hek I'm actually surprised when I see people pass on stuff they already have. I always try to PM then and thank them for their kindness and thinking about others.

I'm going to have to agree with OP. The way the drops are done is horribly designed. I'm on my 20th run. Out of 57 coffers, I've only rolled above a 90 once and most of my rolls have been below 40. About 50 out of 57 have been rolls below 40. There is something seriously wrong with the RNG on this game.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

I'm going to have to agree with OP. The way the drops are done is horribly designed. I'm on my 20th run. Out of 57 coffers, I've only rolled above a 90 once and most of my rolls have been below 40. About 50 out of 57 have been rolls below 40. There is something seriously wrong with the RNG on this game.

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... Just because the RNG doesn't favor you, it doesn't mean there's something wrong with it. Someone else got their coffer, so RNG is working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

I'm going to have to agree with OP. The way the drops are done is horribly designed. I'm on my 20th run. Out of 57 coffers, I've only rolled above a 90 once and most of my rolls have been below 40. About 50 out of 57 have been rolls below 40. There is something seriously wrong with the RNG on this game.

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Don't worry! You would probably not have won it with 90+ rolls anyway. I was rolling in the mid 80's - 90's for the majority of my runs, even lost a 97 roll. I didn't win it until about 20 times running it.

Took me 10 runs on a roll of 95. That 95 I considered to be very lucky..

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Don't worry! You would probably not have won it with 90+ rolls anyway. I was rolling in the mid 80's - 90's for the majority of my runs, even lost a 97 roll. I didn't win it until about 20 times running it.

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The ironic thing is, I lost a 97 AND a 96 roll on the coffer. And then a few runs later managed to win the coffer on a 70(!) roll. RNG is working as intended, but dang does it not make sense sometimes.

I won the pod on my first run with a 91, then the 2B costume with a 93 a bunch of runs after.

I really don't mind the way it's set up because I enjoy chasing after something. Much rather do this than swipe my credit card or just be handed it, but that's just me I guess.

My friends ran it with me over and over and we kept laughing and having fun.

The one thing I feel that needs to be fixed is once we win it..make it re-obtainable via a NPC like the calamity salvager. We don't need people lotting on it twice. I wouldnt be surprised if SE patches this eventually.

It's sort of funny to me that there seems to be a misconception about what people are willing to do for the item(s). The majority of the people who want the items clearly don't just expect them to drop into their inventory out of nowhere. They're perfectly okay with running the raid 10s or maybe even 100s of times to get the rewards, as evidenced by the fact that some claim to have run the raid upwards of 50 times even though the raid hasn't even been out for a week. It's not about not wanting to work for it or wanting it "for free." It's about the fact that the only way to get the items is completely based on RNG (and a little hope that people who already have the items don't roll again for more). With this system there is no light at the end of the tunnel so it's easy to see why people are getting so quickly dispondant.

Just make the items purchaseable with the tokens that already drop in the raid, even if they are broken out individually and not in a single coffer. That way at least you could still hope for good RNG while making progress towards getting the items anyway if the dice rolls continue to not go in your favour.

I just think it's funny that this is only an issue now. Nobody made a fuss about all the previous raid's minions having an abysmal drop rate, or there only being one crafting material, or Balthier and Vaan's outfits being locked behind RNG drops that aren't guaranteed to appear on every single run while Fran's is there for Viera from the get go. But when it's a cute waifu dress that has a 100% drop rate three times at the end of the duty, God forbid having to grind for it, amirite?

They could always make it so you can trade in the weekly coins for the glam chest later on, seems like something we can ask for and they can easily do.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

I just think it's funny that this is only an issue now. Nobody made a fuss about all the previous raid's minions having an abysmal drop rate, or there only being one crafting material, or Balthier and Vaan's outfits being locked behind RNG drops that aren't guaranteed to appear on every single run while Fran's is there for Viera from the get go. But when it's a cute waifu dress that has a 100% drop rate three times at the end of the duty, God forbid having to grind for it, amirite?

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The people who play dressup in this game aren't used to playing to get what they want. More used to pulling out their wallet at the mogstation.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

I just think it's funny that this is only an issue now. Nobody made a fuss about all the previous raid's minions having an abysmal drop rate, or there only being one crafting material, or Balthier and Vaan's outfits being locked behind RNG drops that aren't guaranteed to appear on every single run while Fran's is there for Viera from the get go. But when it's a cute waifu dress that has a 100% drop rate three times at the end of the duty, God forbid having to grind for it, amirite?

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Plenty of people have made an issue about the minions (and cards, and orchestrion rolls, for that matter) in the past. That's why they're guaranteed drops now, instead of pure RNG whether they would drop at all when some of the older raids started.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

The people who play dressup in this game aren't used to gambling to get what they want.

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Fixed it for ya.

I hear the worst part about the coffer for it is people can roll on it again even if they have the glam, if they use the coffer they won in a previous run before the next, and put said glam in a dresser or anywhere outside player inventory or armoury chest. If so, it pretty much makes it less fair for those who don't have the glam.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

I hear the worst part about the coffer for it is people can roll on it again even if they have the glam, if they use the coffer they won in a previous run before the next, and put said glam in a dresser or anywhere outside player inventory or armoury chest. If so, it pretty much makes it less fair for those who don't have the glam.

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yup. They should make it so only those who have never obtained the items (coffer/cards/songs) can need on them. while those who have obtained them in the past should be locked to greed rolls.

Otherwise you just have people needing on them to troll, or to sell.

Opening the coffer should give an achievement. Those with the achievement could then re-buy the items from the calamity salvager, but be locked out of rolling on the coffer again.

And I'm not just saying this because the localization team loves puns and would probably call it something like "2B or Not 2B".

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Opening the coffer should give an achievement. Those with the achievement could then re-buy the items from the calamity salvager, but be locked out of rolling on the coffer again.

And I'm not just saying this because the localization team loves puns and would probably call it something like "2B or Not 2B".

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good solution really, also about puns favorite so far after finishing whole storyline achievement should be - Nier, far, where Yorha are

The funny thing is, I don't even care for 2B's outfit.
The actual raid gear sets look better.
I rather have 9S. They let males wear 2B's outfit
but they didn't let females wear 9S? I'm happy for everyone being
able to wear her's but man, 9S just looks so much better to me.

The tables have turned!
Now I know how the guys feel lol!

That said, not sure if oversight or what.
I can't see any other reason why they could possibly allow this.
If someone accidentally deletes a piece, just put it in Calamity Salvage and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

The funny thing is, I don't even care for 2B's outfit.
The actual raid gear sets look better.
I rather have 9S. They let males wear 2B's outfit
but they didn't let females wear 9S? I'm happy for everyone being
able to wear her's but man, 9S just looks so much better to me.

The tables have turned!
Now I know how the guys feel lol!

That said, not sure if oversight or what.
I can't see any other reason why they could possibly allow this.
If someone accidentally deletes a piece, just put it in Calamity Salvage and call it a day.

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I really do hope they give us 9s outfit. i too prefer suits over dresses. plus the hood looks fab with it.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

I just think it's funny that this is only an issue now. Nobody made a fuss about all the previous raid's minions having an abysmal drop rate, or there only being one crafting material, or Balthier and Vaan's outfits being locked behind RNG drops that aren't guaranteed to appear on every single run while Fran's is there for Viera from the get go. But when it's a cute waifu dress that has a 100% drop rate three times at the end of the duty, God forbid having to grind for it, amirite?

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Like this is so true. What I find funny is that 2b's outfit isn't even all that unique to glams already in the game.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

The people who play dressup in this game aren't used to playing to get what they want. More used to pulling out their wallet at the mogstation.

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There isn't much there in the way of glamour imo.. but then I've bought only 2 sets because there was that one piece out of the whole thing that I wanted that has no readily available in-game equivalent. I've played many games that have a 'glamour' system (Perfect World remains the very best for an old game), and FFXIV is the only one where I have to really dig deep in the annals of time and space to find pieces that work well together, and then there is still the issue of them dying properly in the expected areas.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

There isn't much there in the way of glamour imo..

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Over 50 outfits that are mogstation only (not counting any seasonals/weapon skins).

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Opening the coffer should give an achievement. Those with the achievement could then re-buy the items from the calamity salvager, but be locked out of rolling on the coffer again.

And I'm not just saying this because the localization team loves puns and would probably call it something like "2B or Not 2B".

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This is probably the best solution to this I've seen tbh

rolling vs 23 other persons is hard and i can't find any discord,pf etc for finding organized groups (-> people don't leave until everyrone got the loot)

I can't believe the player base has finally come to complain about just rolling for loot. This is sad, truly. Just run the content and hope for the best. That's how it's always been. They don't need to just hand everything to you on a silver platter.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

I can't believe the player base has finally come to complain about just rolling for loot. This is sad, truly. Just run the content and hope for the best. That's how it's always been. They don't need to just hand everything to you on a silver platter.

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People are complaining because the coffer isn't "locked" like minions and mount rolls are. If you already have the outfit, you shouldn't be able to get another, especially since you can't desynth/sell/trade it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

People are complaining because the coffer isn't "locked" like minions and mount rolls are. If you already have the outfit, you shouldn't be able to get another, especially since you can't desynth/sell/trade it.

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THIS. If you have already gotten the outfit, you shouldn’t be able to roll on it again. While I agree that 3 coffers for it is a great start, having 3 coffers to roll against 23 other people with is a bit disheartening. I at least understand that this is the enticing factor to get people to do the content, which is going to happen regardless b/c this game is filled with Nier fans (myself included) who are just going to run it for the sake of it. My only opinion on the matter would be that they can have one 2B coffee per alliance so that THAT way, you’re rolling against 7 other people instead of 23.

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Originally Posted by iLyrica-sama

THIS. If you have already gotten the outfit, you shouldn’t be able to roll on it again. While I agree that 3 coffers for it is a great start, having 3 coffers to roll against 23 other people with is a bit disheartening. I at least understand that this is the enticing factor to get people to do the content, which is going to happen regardless b/c this game is filled with Nier fans (myself included) who are just going to run it for the sake of it. My only opinion on the matter would be that they can have one 2B coffee per alliance so that THAT way, you’re rolling against 7 other people instead of 23.

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It's unlikely all 23 people are lotting on it though, plenty of people who already have it wont lot on it (sometimes a troll who has it will lot for it but that doesn't happen too often). Though I do agree that if you own it you shouldn't able to roll again.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

People are complaining because the coffer isn't "locked" like minions and mount rolls are. If you already have the outfit, you shouldn't be able to get another, especially since you can't desynth/sell/trade it.

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I 100% agree that the coffer should be unique or locked. I won a coffer last night with a rill of 97, but also rolled 97 on a second one. It was a mad dash to change my roll to pass on the second one to keep from winning two, since I didn't want to be that guy who kept someone else, potentially, from winning it so I could get a second set I don't need.

They could even potentially fix this if they didn't want to keep people from getting more than one by saying you can only get one per week, not unlike the weekly loot and coin.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I 100% agree that the coffer should be unique or locked. I won a coffer last night with a rill of 97, but also rolled 97 on a second one. It was a mad dash to change my roll to pass on the second one to keep from winning two, since I didn't want to be that guy who kept someone else, potentially, from winning it so I could get a second set I don't need.

They could even potentially fix this if they didn't want to keep people from getting more than one by saying you can only get one per week, not unlike the weekly loot and coin.

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If the coffer is unique then you don't need to hit pass on the other ones. When you win one you'll automatically refuse any other coffers on the basis of one already in your inventory. Basically how the game handles that if I remember right.

Of course once you open it then it counts as not owning the coffer.