Yea from what I read on the forums there are a lot of raiders that seem to RP too. I have nothing against RPers as I do want to visit these so-called RPing brothels on my main. For research purposes of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusanagi7
They announced how worlds would be shuffled.
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11-19-2018, 08:10 AMDirwen
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11-19-2018, 08:17 AMSynTepes
I had plans on moving to Mateus cause I've been wanting to RP since I joined FFXIV. And since they didn't have servers listed as RP, PvE, PvP (like WoW which I came from) I just kind of picked a random server. It was til I had already lvled all the way to 70 that I had learned about Bulmung being the RP server unofficially. But it was locked.
I then meant some others from Cactuar and was invited to join their static. So I moved to Cactuar, hoping that I'd have better like there with everything, including RP since I was on a dead server.
Well no luck for the RP still. So I was going to move to Mateus since it had become the next 'best' place to go with Balmung not available. But now I'm screwed.
RP has always been something I enjoy doing in MMOs, so it sucks that they're moving like all the RP servers to one Datacenter. It really doesn't make sense imo.
People like to do both/everything you know? Why should we have to choose RP over Raiding over PvP, etc.
I like seriously raiding, so I wont be leaving my static. But it sucks that I'm getting shafted on being able to RP.
At least I didn't move to Mateus yet...even with the free transfer back, it would've been a waste of money. -sigh- -
11-19-2018, 08:18 AMCharismaWhat are you talking about? Zodiark and Lich have the highest populations of the eu datacenters... each of them have even more population than louisoix and omega combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by MorfineCeres18
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11-19-2018, 08:25 AMAquaslashIn most cases, the most elite and high skilled of raiders and the most..."infamous" (to put it nicely) roleplayers are one and the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirwen
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11-19-2018, 08:29 AMdinnertimeI'm pretty sure they decided on it based on population. Balmung and Mateus are the biggest servers on Aether and they grouped them up with the servers with the least amount of people into Crystal. Meanwhike Aether keeps the servers with a stable population.Quote:
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11-19-2018, 08:48 AMYuyuka3Also, I found quite a few pretty good friends online from all over the world, many of which I know personally. I, too, met my current partner via this game. How is that in any way, shape, or form unhealthy? And this doesn't even touch on the fact that two of my best rl friends also play this game, and one will stay on one, the other will move on the other datacenter, and we all three got a huge chain of other people attached to our butts (like aforementioned partner of mine...) we would like to stay in contact and play with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
What am I supposed to do, play favorites between my closest rl friends, the friends I met online but also know irl, and my freaking life partner, or what?
People like that NanaWiloh person who spouted that bullshit are the ones who should seek out therapy, sorry.
Btw, in my entire more than 10 year MMO career, this is the very first time I ever experienced such bullshit as what is happening here now. All I ever had were server/data center merges. That's it. NEVER have I experienced a split. -
11-19-2018, 08:56 AMDrakonasNo it's not smart. I, and many others on Mateus are not part of these RP'ers, but do savage and late-game content. Now we will have to move to another server because our queue times are going to be utter crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
What I am angry about is everyone is saying Mateus is an RP server, but what they don't seem to get is that Mateus WASN'T an RP server prior to 4.0. When 4.0 hit, lots of ERP-ers flooded our server from Balmung and Gilgamesh. It utterly ruined our world. I've been playing with the same group of people for 4 years, and times have changed. These changes have ruined my fun for this game.
This is some other guy taking over on this part of the post because I can't be bothered to login here:
it sucks. I transferred to Mateus to PLAY WITH THIS GUY UP HERE WHILE BEING ABLE TO PLAY WITH MY FRIEND ON CACTUAR. Now I can't. That's dumb. Really dumb. Even with free transfers, the transfers require me to either
1) Get my friend to quit her FC and come over with me and drop all of her friends.
2) Get my OTHER friend (THIS GUY) to quit his FC and come over with me.
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11-19-2018, 10:06 AMdinnertimeYou're not getting it. It was coincidental at most that the RP servers were moved to the new datacenter. They could've swapped Mateus with Gilgamesh alternatively and people will still get mad. The devs can't please everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakonas
Besides players can call a server the RP server, Raid server or PvP server all they want, but officially these are just 'servers' and people can actually do anything they want on them. I'm sorry your server got "ruined" by those mean and scary RPers...Not.
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11-19-2018, 11:27 AMSheriyanaIt should be Chaos and Harmony, like in Dissidia. But yeah, that kind of rubs me the wrong way too, I mean it's definitely not the biggest complaint but they made it sound like light is the opposite of chaos which is just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by PotatoWafflez
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11-19-2018, 12:16 PMsydh
Ahh, I just love having my server kicked out of the data-center we have enjoyed since 2.0 release in August, 2013. I'm glad to see that the XIV dev team worked hard on upgrading their tech to allow world visiting much sooner than I think anyone expected. Now where is the second half of that updated server tech? Where is the full NA/EU/JP+ data-centers? I would rather wait and keep things pre 4.5 shuffle and deal with 'Raubahn savage' again on the 5.0 expansion release rush. I would rather deal with a few days of troubled instances than forcing thousands upon thousands of people to either pick the server friends of 5 1/2 years(2.0 players) or their data-center friends of 2ish years(late 2016 release). Thanks SE.
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11-19-2018, 12:27 PMAtlantasia
I was so hyped for Shadowbringer at Fanfest, but this made me leave it with a bittersweet taste in my mouth.
My thoughts:
#1.) I do not want to give up my medium house, I've invested too much into it and it's not easily replaceable.
#2.) My raid group is now split 50/50 between Aether and Crystal... aka, I either stay on my server and leave it, or move to join it again.
#3.) I have friends on all servers. Some I'm very close with. I don't want to lose access to them.
#4.) My FC leader's raid group is entirely on the new Aether, he's leaving, so the majority of my FC is leaving with him... basically destroying my FC entirely with it.
#5.) PF is hard enough to get clears on at times NOW, I cannot imagine what it will be like once this move takes place. :/
._. The three people I stayed with for Fanfest, all of them are going to be transferring to Cactaur from Coeurl because of this... I keep hoping this is a nightmare I can wake up from, because as a raider, this is just disheartening. Raiding or Friends/House... -
11-19-2018, 12:28 PMDrakonasHave you even looked at the statistics for the servers that were moved to Crystal? Mateus and Balmung are the largest servers in Aether now. And they are the majority of the game's RP'ers. All the other servers moved to Crystal are low population servers. So basically, YES it is moving RP-ers and casuals to Crystal!Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
How will this benefit the majority? They are pissing off a majority of their fanbase. Have you even looked around Reddit and these forums? What would have been "better" is creating a brand new datacenter and creating mass incentives, perhaps discounts off of housing for those that can't get any housing on the limited supply right now; and free gil for transferring; and FC housing movement keeping furniture intact; and maybe exclusive glam gear that isn't too enticing but enough to be something to convince people that want a fresh start to move; and perhaps longterm gathering/crafting/exp buffs for the first number of weeks after you transfer. They can lock all brand new accounts (first-time-players) to only being able to play on the new datacenter at first with their leaf character. With enough incentives, I believe a number of people would move of their own will to these servers, especially since housing is so scarce now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
I know 3+ people each in like 5 different communities already today that are pissed because they often raid with their friends from other worlds on the Aether datacenter that are now having those connections severed. And to make matters worse, we have 2 months to figure this out, in which some people may not even renew their 60 day pass at that point, because their friends have been severed from them in multiple directions.
To add to my point I want to quote the last post:
Most of us that have been on servers in Aether since 3-4 years ago have seen longterm friends leave the world to other servers.. This will cause certain players to leave the server in favor of certain friends on those other servers, leaving other friends in the dust. The features which added cross-datacenter play brought new life to the game, making play with all of those friends possible again! And now with this move, those friendships will end... permanently... moving datacenters will cut all friends not on the datacenter from your friendslist most likely, meaning you won't be able to find them again if you don't write them all down. Also contact through the app will be impossible too, I imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantasia
This basically just cut all contact with people in-game. May the gods help you if you didn't get Discord, Skype, or phone numbers for those people. Square just basically destroyed thousands of friendships with one feature.
And you say this is "Better" longterm... bah. It might be for some people, but I guarantee you this will not go down well at all. -
11-19-2018, 12:42 PMHestzhyenThere would never be enough incentives to get people to uproot their social communities unless it was something so extreme it would be a huge imbalance to the game itself. Like 100% guaranteed housing of your choice, free sub for x months, free item from the MogShop, extra retainer at no cost... look at all the pain in this thread. They've been trying for years to get people to redistribute themselves by offering the Road to 60 buff with free transfer to low-pop worlds but it hasn't been enough. Now they have to forcibly shuffle players around if they want to stabilize the datacenters (for all those people saying they'd rather go through Raubhan EX again... no, you don't really want to do that).Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakonas
This situation sucks and it's terrible to see so much hurt from the community. I really feel for the people who have to choose between friends, statics, houses, and FCs. But it's happening because we didn't self-sort and everyone in Aether is tired of the weight of Balmung, Gilgamesh, and Mateus risking a meltdown when the next expac hits. It's all in the name of stability and performance and (hopefully) future feature improvements.
If SE had been clearer about the future benefits instead of saying "oh btw this is happening, use the remaining time wisely", there might be a little less fear and outrage. They should absolutely do better about telling us why this is happening and what this action will allow the devs to do for us further down the line. For now though I hope people can take the time to make the hard decisions once the shock wears off. -
11-19-2018, 12:46 PMDrakonasI guess I agree with you there.Quote:
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11-19-2018, 01:15 PMJojoyaExcept it won't benefit the game in the long run. It's a bandaid for a temporary problem that only happens for a few weeks at the start of an expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
Already we see players planning to take advantage of the free transfer service, which will simply reshuffle population back to the current data centers. The low pop worlds which SE is segregating will end up even lower pop, making it harder for people to get groups of any type because the players who tend to act a community leaders for starting groups will have transferred to remain on their original data center where their friends are.
Unless SE gives real incentives for players to choose to stay on Crystal and Light worlds for the long term, all SE has done is created a couple of dead data centers. Outside of housing, few players find any incentive to be on those worlds. Even Road to 60 is only a temporary enticement as it generally gets used to level up alts as fast as possible before transferring the character to the world the player actually wants to play on. -
11-19-2018, 01:28 PMAtlantasia
Just to add, I know absolutely no one who is planning to transfer to a Crystal DC world, only ones from Crystal DC worlds to Aether DC worlds. :/
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11-19-2018, 01:30 PMHamadaGREAT IDEA! lets put all the dead servers on one DC (in regards of doing content), and all the active servers on another DC, then everyone that wants to do content can move off the dead DC making the situation even worse then now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphor
Does SE have a contingency plan set up for this????? How would be the top 100 in pvp be determined? those that sat in queue the longest? -
11-19-2018, 01:39 PMDirwenI'm gonna be one of those rare folks that will move from Aether to Crystal probably. My main char is on Sarg and house reimbursement plus free transfer is enough incentive for me to do so. Only worried about how DF/PF will be like on Crystal for normal content that aren't raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantasia
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11-19-2018, 01:43 PMdinnertimeLet's not pretend that we know more than they do this time. If they wanted to prevent another Raubahn EX then they could've cut the initial MSQ into two or three starting zones like in HW and ARR. It'll help keep data centers from breaking and possibly more, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
It looks interchangeable to me. People from Aether might transfer to Crystal and vice versa. If anything, I only see Primal servers being like that because only 3 got transferred to Crystal which does prove your point.Quote:
The low pop worlds which SE is segregating will end up even lower pop, making it harder for people to get groups of any type because the players who tend to act a community leaders for starting groups will have transferred to remain on their original data center where their friends are.
Unless SE gives real incentives for players to choose to stay on Crystal and Light worlds for the long term, all SE has done is created a couple of dead data centers. Outside of housing, few players find any incentive to be on those worlds. Even Road to 60 is only a temporary enticement as it generally gets used to level up alts as fast as possible before transferring the character to the world the player actually wants to play on.
Wasn't there some graph floating around saying that the data centers will almost be even in numbers now? I think the EU servers will suffer a bit from it since they have the lowest population out of all regions, but I don't see how it'll be that bad to find groups. Primal is lucky about all of this, actually. Idk, we'll see I guess.
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11-19-2018, 02:01 PMBarraindI will bet you any amount of money you'd like that if they had moved Gilgamesh, Cactuar and Jenova instead of Balmung and Mateus (which would make Crystal and Aether roughly the same size instead of Crystal being slightly larger) the levels of outrage would reach insanity from the remainder of Aether.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
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11-19-2018, 02:17 PMdinnertimeHah, possibly. Nobody here likes or likes being with the RP servers... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraind
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11-19-2018, 02:27 PMBourne_EndeavorWhile it may be a long work-in-progress, there have been discussions of building a RP server on Aether. Jenova has been cited as essentially Balmung2. It'll take time to establish but there may be hope yet. And you'll at least be able to take advantage of the realm visiting system.Quote:
Originally Posted by SynTepes
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11-19-2018, 02:27 PMTheodricBalmung - and Mateus - have long been a scapegoat, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
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11-19-2018, 02:50 PMBourne_EndeavorSpeak for yourself, mate. I think people would happily take Raubhan EX again over having their communities uprooted. I certainly would, and I was on Balmung where five hours queues were considered a norm for the first two weeks. Why doesn't this bother me? Because it's two to three weeks tops out of two years. Not exactly much time lost in the grand scheme of things. I suspect many people feel similar, especially those currently on Balmung or have static mates and friends from what will soon be a Crystal server. A temporary inconvenience is far better than what we're going through now, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hestzhyen
And this blaming the players need to stop. Square Enix had no qualms taking $18 from people wanting to transfer into Balmung for what, four years almost? Now it's suddenly our fault they couldn't control the mass population their own greed accumulated? Furthermore, the incentives to transfer simply aren't enough for many people. In my case, I had almost all my jobs at 60. So an EXP means nothing. Now factor in giving up your house and it just wouldn't be worth the transfer for a lot of people. Once again, that is on SE for a garbage housing system they have done very little to rectify.
Now we're in a situation that could very easily backfire on them because instead of having a congested server, they may have a congested Datacenter. They can't force us to transfer off Aether unless they want a financial backlash. So... they're banking on the idea people don't mass transfer back to Aether. We'll see how this gamble pans out. -
11-19-2018, 03:00 PMEnlaThat's always been my issue with people screaming that Balmung is killing the data center. If SE had simply closed the server when it became too big for itself instead of letting people transfer over, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. Most of the people who transferred here were ignorant of the repercussions of doing so, many of them newbies who waited out the three days to transfer to play with their friends because they thought it'd be alright. Some people transferred knowing full well the server strain, but for the most part people did it in good faith. Then once the problem got too big for itself, most of them were well ingrained and couldn't very well leave for the reasons you pointed out. And now instead of upgrading their servers they're taking what appears to be the easiest way out to fix their server issues.Quote:
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11-19-2018, 03:41 PMLordTiberiusRex
I've seen more transfers going from Crystal to Aether, than Aether to Crystal.
And the reasons I've seen are primarily 1 of 2 things.
1. The raid scene is bigger/more established, therefore it will have a larger pool of raiders to clear content with, and Crystal's raid scene will die because the rest of the raiders are also going to Aether.
2. It won't deal with Balmung, its visitors, or the effect from economy when the cross-world MB system is implemented.
I've yet to decide if a transfer would be worth it for me honestly. But if the demand for raiding sharply declines on Crystal... then a fair number of markets are going to suffer.
On a secondary note:
I'd totally believe it. Not many like RP servers, but people especially do not like Balmung (compared to Mateus, despite being a RP server too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraind
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11-19-2018, 04:26 PMBourne_EndeavorYou just described my circumstances, exactly. I was a new player who was shown a bunch of screenshots from a good friend of mine on her facebook. She told me FFXIV has a huge RP community. Why wouldn't I want to come into that, having been an avid RPer at the time? While I eventually left two years later after she took an extended hiatus and I sort of fell out with RP outside friend circles, other people likely developed roots they didn't want to lose. Mateus happened because SE finally did something about Balmung. Had they closed it earlier, then a second RP server may have happened to help alleviate Balmung long before it became an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enla
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11-19-2018, 04:44 PMDamianFatale
Balmung is fine. Stop acting like it’s horrible to be seen with us.
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11-19-2018, 04:58 PMElHeggunteSomeone from Balmung saying "Balmung is fine" is just like that guy in a group of friends who always drinks too much and embarrasses everyone, but can never figure out why nobody wants to hang out with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianFatale
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11-19-2018, 05:47 PMMiingnoAs longtime and non-rp-player from Balmung I can confirm, Balmung is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElHeggunte
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11-19-2018, 08:50 PMNew_Game_Plus
I'm fine with the DC split.
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11-20-2018, 04:16 PMera1NeThis couldn't be further from the truth. The EU split is rather good in terms of overall playerbase and raider on each datacenter. Both will have an active playerbase of almost 60k people, while approximately half of them has done the 4.1 story. As for UwU kills, light actually wins with 270 compared to 238.Quote:
Originally Posted by MorfineCeres18
Sources:https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ally_balanced/
Of course these stats could and probably will change in the future, because many will have to make a decision between their friends, fc and statics, but while i understand the issue, lets not panic and believe one of the datacenter will have a very bad time, without looking at facts. If we just panic, then we will create the issue of an uneven split in EU ourself, since we as an community would create the impression that one of the datacenter is far superior, leading many to leave, because they don't want to be on the "loosing" datacenter. -
11-20-2018, 04:51 PMKisaiTenshiIt's probably inconsequential to it. Like they're probably aiming for a super-server type of setup where your "home" world no longer is really relevant, only the DC you're in. So those home servers just deal with your home character registration, and you're free to roam to other servers as long as there is space. That saves SE some money if that means they don't have to have a bunch of 2.0 zones on every server running completely devoid of players when 5.0 content comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
But I still think the way SE is going about this is going to cost them more in support costs and negative PR when players who were away for this come back and wonder why their FC moved without them. -
11-21-2018, 02:57 AMalimdiaBalmung's bad rep didn't come out of nowhere.Quote:
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11-21-2018, 03:09 AMRodaYeah, it came out of the memes people made about their irrational phobias of people who like to RP.Quote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
"RPer is innept when not playing pretend" has been a stereotype since the days of D&D somehow being both a psychotic mental illness and a intricate megalomanical cult....
Honestly the ratio of bad eggs I get in dungeons has been comfortably biased towards non-balmung servers for as far back as I can remember.
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11-21-2018, 03:27 AMEnlaThat's pretty much been my experience as well. Started on Greg, moved to Balmung a little later, but most of the bad eggs I've encountered have been from Jenova or Gilgamesh. /However/ just like the people saying most of the bad eggs they've encountered are from Balmung, my experience is the result of a confirmation bias. I just noticed and remembered more of the incidents with the people from those two servers, when there were hundreds of other incidents with randoms from other places I failed to care enough to remember. Hell I started on Greg, I know it's not a bad server and I even went back recently to play around with a friend on an alt account which I'm even more grateful for now. Yet try as hard as I might I can't /stop/ that confirmation bias from creeping up every once in awhile. Even when a few days ago in PVP I got choked up because someone from Gilgamesh said a heartfelt goodbye to everyone they've met on Balmung.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roda
Balmung's reputation is mostly born out of a misconception that everyone there is ERPing 24/7 and that we ignore the content and want to be carried. Which given how many people in this very thread are upset they're losing their static members /from/ Balmung should show that while we're not ss big as Greg or the others, we do have a healthy raid community. Coupled with the fact that we coped the blame for SE refusing to close us down to transfers for well over two years, thus putting the data center into a precarious position born from people genuinely trusting SE that it was alright to transfer, and it was another black mark against the server. I'm not trying to invalidate those who have had genuine issues with people from this server, but Balmung's reputation came from essentially being the Data Center's scapegoat. -
11-21-2018, 03:59 AMWaterShieldI'm moving from Siren (Aether) to the Crystal DC, to stay with my raiding static (Mostly Balmung players). This is hurting people from every data center. I've had long time friends flip out on me for leaving the Server (and FC) all because SE forced people to make a choice. It all leaves a bitter taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantasia
I'm also losing a medium house in Shirogane from this move.
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11-21-2018, 08:18 AMSahreeYurblu
If I read one more "Crystal is going to be filthy RPers and the DEAD servers" post, I'm going to start flipping things. Hello from supposedly dead Goblin, where we somehow managed to raid and get all our ponies and birds before cross server PF was a thing. Does this split hurt? Yes. Do I hate that it's happening? Yes. Do I think it's fair? Hell no. Unfortunately, SE has made a choice that now forces those with friends on servers that are being split up to make their own choices. I'll be in the Crystal PFs looking to get stuff done as usual.
All you Balmung folks are welcome to come visit Goblin. We have our own RP community here too. (I would be awful at it, but my friends/FC mates are awesome.) For those that like raiding AND RP, we just request those RPing as Tenzen be able to help kill the fiery bird. lol.
Sorry, I needed a laugh. Bottom line is, this is what it is. It's happening. It sucks, but healers adjust. Also tanks, and dps and crafters and gatherers adjust. -
11-21-2018, 08:26 AMZsolenAre you moving to Balmung or another server? I know it would only be anecdotal, but I'm curious where people might move, should they move to Crystal for raiding or other purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterShield
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11-21-2018, 08:54 AMAkonylWe managed it, but I'd hardly call it healthy for these. My Gordias group was the third group on Goblin to clear the tier and that was a whole week before Midas dropped, because so many other statics died to the infamous A3S staticbreaker, and there simply weren't enough raiders on the server to pull reps from (which then got compounded more when a decent amount of raiders left to raid on Gilg). Even today, Goblin remains one of the lowest servers in terms of raid clear rates, with 1.2% of the active Goblin pop having the o8s mount in a May survey (only beating Famfrit, Louisoix, and Mateus).Quote:
Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu
If you didn't have a network of people who wanted to farm them, getting birds was pretty painful too, when there was only ever 1-2 groups up in PF for any sort of content at a time, so yeah I would definitely call the raiding/PF scene pre-3.5 dead. Once 3.5 implemented x-server PF, the difference was night and day.