China is getting wings

Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Whales

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Or, more realistically, it's a derogatory term used to insult CS buyers.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Not sure where you thought i was "angry" at any point, i was simply correcting him. of course they decided to add it, because people begged for it. and i even said this in another post, SE is not going to turn away FREE MONEY (or easy money in this case)

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You can't "correct" someone elses opinion. Doesn't work like that. You basically just told them they are a reckless spender and a whale who somehow ruins everything for everyone else. I don't even recall when that poster said they buy everything the cash shop offers (or if they have bought anything at all even)....so why are they a reckless spender and a whale all of a sudden?

Anger might not factor into it but you are still misplacing emotions at the players (who might not have been part of the people who asked for a cash shop) instead of at the company who made the service that you dislike so much. Simply correcting isn't what you were doing. You were shaming them for the possibility that they might have bought things from the cash shop. Stop trying to make people feel bad for buying things with the money they earned it's pretty rude and unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

this excuse sounds strikingly similar to the same excuse i here from gill buyers..huh.. fancy that.

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How is buying cash shop things the same as gil buying? One is against the ToS and one is made by the company who made the ToS...there is no connection. You really think people who buy from the cash shop, which money goes to the company who makes the game we all play, is the same as gil buying? This makes no sense and you know it. Money spent on gil buying does not go to the company. It goes to a third party which is exploiting SE's game to make a profit.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

but as long as it's benefiting you, right? screw how it affects everyone else.

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Like you said SE likely won't remove the cash shop...so why should you shame people for buying from it? If they want something and can afford it then who are you to say they are selfish for spending their personal earned money on it? Even if some people stop buying from it the cash shop will still be there (because there is always going to be players who have a lot of extra money to spend because they are well off irl)...people will just be denying themselves something they want for no reason since it changes nothing.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

already countered the 1st point, not going to do it a 3rd time. Not to mention the rest of this makes no sense due to the fact nothing i said implied any of this. You did read the post, yea?

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Yeah I read it and it does imply, very obviously, that you think your choice is superior. You call people reckless spenders and whales (and the above quote to me calling people selfish). You are shaming people for what they choose to spend their money on. Some people on this planet may think you spending money on a video game subscription is reckless spending and shame-worthy, but hey it is your choice because it is your money right? Why listen to them?

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LOL yea, that will work. it will be like trying to get dragon ball banned, Not going to happen. Once again, it's easy money for SE for cosmetics, easily forgettable items, it's here to stay. i am well aware people will toss money at anything that does not require any work, so it will always be popular, SE would be brain dead to get rid of something like that. i dislike the cash shop but i actually want them to keep it, the more money that floods in, the better they work on this game, hopefully, I just won't waste any money on it, other then things that actually deserve to be there, like server transfers or fantasia.

Once again, "Being a voice" will do absolutely nothing for the cash shop. SO stop trying to put words in my mouth, I do not care. i disagree with it, because it does not belong in a paid sub MMO, but nothing can be done about it, End of story.

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Wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was telling you to be a voice instead of shaming people who use the cash shop.

I was against the cash shop when it was suggested just fyi since this game is already a sub game. I am not going to shame people for using it though. They choose to spend money they earned on it so that is their choice and it has nothing to do with me. All those items are optional aesthetics which you do not need to play the game and hopefully, like you also said, that money is going into the game for expansions and content.

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Originally Posted by Miste

You can't "correct" someone elses opinion. Doesn't work like that.

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Was not his "opinion" i was correcting, it was the conclusions he was jumping to, assuming at what i meant, which was false.

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You basically just told them they are a reckless spender and a whale who somehow ruins everything for everyone else. I don't even recall when that poster said they buy everything the cash shop offers (or if they have bought anything at all even)....so why are they a reckless spender and a whale all of a sudden?

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Once again, like that poster, you are taking what i said and twisting it, read it again. it's a cause and effect thing, because SE knows people will spend money for items instead of putting them in game, other people will have to suffer by buying it, as SE sees no reason to put them in the the game when people can just throw money at them for it.

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Anger might not factor into it but you are still misplacing emotions at the players (who might not have been part of the people who asked for a cash shop) instead of at the company who made the service that you dislike so much. Simply correcting isn't what you were doing. You were shaming them for the possibility that they might have bought things from the cash shop. Stop trying to make people feel bad for buying things with the money they earned it's pretty rude and unnecessary.

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Never did, Stop putting words in my words, for crying out loud.

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How is buying cash shop things the same as gil buying? One is against the ToS and one is made by the company who made the ToS...there is no connection.

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People buy gill because they are lazy, (or really bad at the game and can't make their own) why work for the gill when you can just give real money to get as much as you want.

Cash shop has items that you can give real money to get instantly no work needed. Why put items in the game when you can just toss money to get them instantly?

Gill is not needed to progress in this game, and for the most part is mainly used for vanity and cosmetics,

Cash shops item are not needed in this game and is use for vanity...and cosmetics..

Buying gill floods the economy which causes prices to raise, making people who don't buy gill have to spend more because people with a lot of gill spend recklesy on stuff.

Buying from cash shop causes SE to realize that putting items in for money, is better then putting them in the game to earn. so people who do not buy from cash shop will have to buy from there if they want it....Do i need to go on?

Yea.. they are very similar, actually. but like i said, one is legal the other is not. You are paying for instant gratification. If you had issues figuring that out.

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You really think people who buy from the cash shop, which money goes to the company who makes the game we all play, is the same as gil buying? This makes no sense and you know it.

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Already explained above, it makes perfect sense. if you actually think.

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Money spent on gil buying does not go to the company. It goes to a third party which is exploiting SE's game to make a profit.

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RMT spend money on accounts to spam bots nonestop. unless they can do that for free, all the money is going to SE Regardless if they are using their on CC/debit or a stolen one, it's still money going to SE so in a small way they are actually benefiting from it. They both profit. again, if you think you would have figured that out.

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Like you said SE likely won't remove the cash shop...so why should you shame people for buying from it?

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In the same way i would "shame" (not the right word) someone for spending a grand for a bottle of water because it's in a pretty bottle, it's there money but i won't hesitate to laugh at them. Buy all you want, spend as you please. while i snicker.

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Yeah I read it and it does imply, very obviously, that you think your choice is superior.

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No, you clearly did not read it. you just skimmed over it, heard what you wanted,,and made your own flawed conclusions.

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You call people reckless spenders and whales (and the above quote to me calling people selfish). You are shaming people for what they choose to spend their money on.

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See? this is how i know you didn't read, as i said, multiple times that i do not care what you spend your money on, i'm allowed to laugh at people who toss money at things. if i see someone buy a t-shirt for $2000 because it has a small logo in the corner while i got the same one for $45 without the logo, you better belive i will have a good laugh, and tell them "nice shirt buddy" with a cool thumbs up.

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Some people on this planet may think you spending money on a video game subscription is reckless spending and shame-worthy,

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I'll give you this one, but it's usually people who do not understand games and just think they are all a waste of time. so you couldn't convince them either way.

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I was against the cash shop when it was suggested just fyi since this game is already a sub game. I am not going to shame people for using it though. They choose to spend money they earned on it so that is their choice and it has nothing to do with me. All those items are optional aesthetics which you do not need to play the game and hopefully, like you also said, that money is going into the game for expansions and content.

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Fair point, but you are mistake shaming for mocking. which, i admit is not much better. but i wouldn't say shaming.

Wings have been prevent in various Final Fantasy games, the latest on was FF13.

It somehow fits the FFXIV world, unlike the Yokai stuff they released.

There's currently armor in the game that have wings, Final Coil of Bahamut and Summoner AF2 are examples.

When those came out i didn't see people complaining about the wings at all.

As for the Wings being attached to the outfit, it would indeed make more sense to have two versions one with and one without the wings, so it would please everyone.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Fair point, but you are mistake shaming for mocking. which, i admit is not much better. but i wouldn't say shaming.

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That's quite the defense mechanism against people who are well off enough to drop money on brand name/CS items.

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I'll give you this one, but it's usually people who do not understand games and just think they are all a waste of time. so you couldn't convince them either way.

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[This can be reversed, watch: ] It's usually people who do not understand that the value of money is subjective and just think CS buyers are wasting money. so you couldn't convince them either way.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Wings have been prevent in various Final Fantasy games, the latest on was FF13.

It somehow fits the FFXIV world, unlike the Yokai stuff they released.

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They will ignore your point because it doesn't fit their complaints.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

That's quite the defense mechanism against people who are well off enough to drop money on brand name/CS items.

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Well it's all subjective, someone like bill gates can drop 5 grand for a candy bar and would not give a care in the world. as that won't even come close to putting a dent in his wallet but would he do it? is it worth it to him.

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[This can be reversed, watch: ] It's usually people who do not understand that the value of money is subjective and just think CS buyers are wasting money. so you couldn't convince them either way.

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I guess so, This is the reason why the bottled water industry is booming, even tho its just tap water from a different source, and anti-aging cream is just an expensive moisturizer, even tho it does the exact same thing. some people may consider those a waste of money while others consider them the greatest buys. it is all in the buyer, i agree.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Well it's all subjective, someone like bill gates can drop 5 grand for a candy bar and would not give a care in the world. as that won't even come close to putting a dent in his wallet but would he do it? is it worth it to him.

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Maybe he would, maybe it is worth it to him. I have no idea, but who are you to judge or mock?

The big moogle mount was worth every dollar to me. Are you going to mock me for spending my disposable income where I feel was well spent? That would be silly.

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Maybe he would, maybe it is worth it to him. I have no idea, but who are you to judge or mock?

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A person of free will and independent thinking.

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The big moogle mount was worth every dollar to me. Are you going to mock me for spending my disposable income where I feel was well spent? That would be silly.

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Then it was worth it to you, the problem is you careing about what others think of what you spend your money on.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

When did I say I cared what you thought?

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You responding to my posts, is indeed an action of caring, if you didn't you would have just ignored them.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Then it was worth it to you, the problem is you careing about what others think of what you spend your money on.

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When did I say I cared what you thought?

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You responding to my posts, is indeed an action of caring, if you didn't you would have just ignored them.

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My care is in the topic, not your thoughts, sorry for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by SessionZero

Bit off topic but while we're on the subject of the cash shop, can someone explain to me where the term "whales" came from and what it's supposed to mean?

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Someone please photoshop Bismarck with bling and wads of cash. That's all I can picture now.


I feel like I should clarify that when I said "everything should be available to anyone willing to pay for it", I meant that any cash shop exclusive item should be open to consideration to be brought over to NA if there is enough popular demand. Whether through online purchase or an in-game quest. Not that every single item in the game should be up for grabs if people wave enough money at SE. That would completely defeat the purpose of doing anything in FFXIV. I don't want all those ponies I spent hours farming (for example) available to anyone with 20 dollars, that wasn't what I was trying to say. Sorry for the miscommunication, though at this point the discussion has gone completely off the rails so I don't think it matters xD

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Never did, Stop putting words in my words, for crying out loud.

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Fair point, but you are mistake shaming for mocking. which, i admit is not much better. but i wouldn't say shaming.

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Um, at the end of this post you openly admit to mocking the players who use it ^ so no I am not putting words in your mouth; they were already there. I am not mistaking anything. Shame is a result of mocking if the mocking succeeds in upsetting the individual (you learn these things if you take psychology classes). Which is why I responded to you to tell you not to be rude about it and not to place the blame on people you don't even know anything about.

Everyone makes fun of others sometimes it is just human nature, but the main thing is you are supposed to keep things like that to yourself out of respect. I mean you don't wanna be walking down the street and have someone laugh and point at you cause you bought a specific brand name item that they personally think is ugly/stupid/unnecessary, right? I am sure you would agree it is rude.

Also claiming I didn't read your post just because I don't agree with you is pretty pointless. I assure you I read it. You just might not realize how you are coming off to others. Not caring what people spend their money on doesn't mean you are not shaming them. If you did not think your choice was superior you would not feel the need to mock others over it. Humans mock other people when they feel superior (or want to feel superior) over another person.

As for the gil buying compared to cash shop things those comparisons you made wasn't what I was getting at so I think we misunderstood each other there.

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Originally Posted by MissD

Omg right? I'd kill for super long hair.

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Same, if it looked like that it would be awesome.
I gotta admit, the gorgeous flowy long hair was the first thing I looked at LMAO (I mean, yeah there's clipping issues too that would undoubtedly go hand in hand with it but--long haiiiir )

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

I'd pay for the bardings lol.

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Same here, the bardings look really nice~

I do admit that I found the pictures with the outfits really cute (that lala with the white wings). And since this is a cash shop for the Chinese too I would have nothing against it landing in our cash shop..but at a reasonable price and not priced like some of the event items or even the mog mount..If they would have gotten it ingame than I would be against cash shop. (I am still a little miffed that they get the butler and maid attire in the cash shop and yet we have to go through so many loops to get them or still dont even have a chance to get them..)

There SE we all pay you money..please treat us the same and dont do such exclusive stuff..

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I feel like everything should be available to people who wish to pay for it. Just because you do not enjoy a set does not mean others can't enjoy it. Trying to prevent somethings release to NA just so you don't have to look at it is pretty selfish. If I want to pay 18 bucks for tacky wings cuz it makes me happy power to me.

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Its that kind of thinking that would make mmos great. How dare you bring sensibility and kindness here.

http://orig03.deviantart.net/6f1d/f/...il-d97n8vp.png

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

Its that kind of thinking that would make mmos great. How dare you bring sensibility and kindness here.

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T.T I'm sorry. I'll try to be more terrible in the future. I wouldn't want to upset the delicate balance, lolol.

Wings fit in FFXIV and FF universe, but those wings look horrible, like they are made of cheap plastic.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Wings fit in FFXIV and FF universe, but those wings look horrible, like they are made of cheap plastic.

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And these look any less plastic?

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...b798fec35b.jpg

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...2a5c5b2fbb.png

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

And these look any less plastic?

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...b798fec35b.jpg

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...2a5c5b2fbb.png

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PS3 Limitations :)

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PS3 Limitations :)

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Don't be a hypocrite. -_-

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PS3 Limitations :)

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lol. I see what you did there. But you know what she means man.

Wings in this game in general look shoddy anyway.

Wings? Looks like cheap F2P garbage chinese MMO stuff, give it to them, we don't need that disgusting !@#$.

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Originally Posted by MissD

Someone please photoshop Bismarck with bling and wads of cash. That's all I can picture now.

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http://i.imgur.com/A1eX1pA.jpg

Don't judge my photoshop skills.

Okay don't mind me here I'm just passing through this topic and randomly fulfill a random lala's wish.

You guys can keep on panning the wings like it's some sort of eye cancer or doing whatever in this topic before it gets locked.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

And these look any less plastic?

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...b798fec35b.jpg

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...2a5c5b2fbb.png

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Biggest difference between those is they're far more ornamental and design meshes well, the ones on the cs outfits look like halloween costume bits.

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Originally Posted by KinnisonArc

http://i.imgur.com/A1eX1pA.jpg

Don't judge my photoshop skills.

Okay don't mind me here I'm just passing through this topic and randomly fulfill a random lala's wish.

You guys can keep on panning the wings like it's some sort of eye cancer or doing whatever in this topic before it gets locked.

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I'll give you a 9/10, needs a pole dancing lala on the horn

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Originally Posted by Powe

I'll give you a 9/10, needs a pole dancing lala on the horn

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I should be sleeping right now but... *picks a random lala in swimsuit off google search*

http://i.imgur.com/2lObOxW.jpg

Now I hope I don't get arrested for lalafell abuse.

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Originally Posted by KinnisonArc

http://i.imgur.com/A1eX1pA.jpg

Don't judge my photoshop skills.

Okay don't mind me here I'm just passing through this topic and randomly fulfill a random lala's wish.

You guys can keep on panning the wings like it's some sort of eye cancer or doing whatever in this topic before it gets locked.

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You are my new favorite person. Also, did I just read that liking wings on characters is a sign of mental illness? I...what? I don't even...
Some of us hate them, some of us don't. Let's just leave it at that. No need to question anyone's sanity xD Though truth be told it would make for an interesting study: narcissism versus gaudy glams.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

And these look any less plastic?

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...b798fec35b.jpg

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...2a5c5b2fbb.png

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Well, let's see. Metallic decorations attached directly to a piece of armor vs a set of wings designed to look more lifelike and natural?

I feel like you're missing the forest for the trees. The thing is, those 'wings' on the dw gear are designed to look ornamental on the armor.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

You're about 7 or so games too late for that, buddy.

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"7 or so games"
"7 likes"
The FF references are coming to the forums now, this is getting way too meta.

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Also, did I just read that liking wings on characters is a sign of mental illness?

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No I never had the slightest thoughts of linking wings with mental illness (If you were referring to me). My last sentence was just simply sarcasm aimed at the people who came here just to say the wings are ugly, tacky, etc and nothing else constructive. The designer could be crying right now xD

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No I never had the slightest thoughts of linking wings with mental illness (If you were referring to me). My last sentence was just simply sarcasm aimed at the people who came here just to say the wings are ugly, tacky, etc and nothing else constructive. The designer could be crying right now xD

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(I think) it wasn't your comment, mods deleted it, it was basically saying that people who like the wings should instead spend that money to get therapy, it was incredibly rude.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

(I think) it wasn't your comment, mods deleted it, it was basically saying that people who like the wings should instead spend that money to get therapy, it was incredibly rude.

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*checks back* Oh right, I remembered that one. Okay that makes my previous post a bit awkward *shies away*

Not topic related, but... Why my post deleted by mods...?

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*checks back* Oh right, I remembered that one. Okay that makes my previous post a bit awkward *shies away*

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Yes, I was referring to the removed comment. Sorry, it's super awkward to quote/edit a post on my phone.

Thanks god that this comment was removed..I will never understand why people attack each other that much over some glamour..and yet 6 (or more) people liked his post..
Even if I find a glamour ugly I would still be on the side to implement it..why? Well because others might find enjoyment out of it and I hate exclusive items in FF14.


Edit: A little off topic: Can someone say how one does even report a post? Maybe I am blind but I cant really find an option to do so.

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Edit: A little off topic: Can someone say how one does even report a post? Maybe I am blind but I cant really find an option to do so.

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See a little yellow ! in a triangle at the bottom left of the post you wish to report? It's that button.

I have a question.

Is this a full set, as in, one piece that covers the whole body (ala the Ghost gear), or head/chest/pant.

Cuz those horns would look pretty awesome on some Auri players.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

I have a question.

Is this a full set, as in, one piece that covers the whole body (ala the Ghost gear), or head/chest/pant.

Cuz those horns would look pretty awesome on some Auri players.

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I'm personally hoping they're separate pieces because of the headgear too ;;