The single biggest issue holding back FFXIV needs to be specifically addressed.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We want you all to focus on the discussion and let us worry about making sure your thoughts, feelings and concerns are properly communicated.

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You think it's possible to add a feature on forum if thread has been read by reps, mods? at least adding something like that might help people understand information was read and being looked at, I know threads like this one that had over 100+ likes and people will start getting anxious and wonder if it was even read. Kind of like a ticketing system feature. At same time I understand if feature like that is added if a thread doesn't have thread was looked by red going to cause other issues between forum posters. Just a thought...

sorry for posting the translation on the JP side if it caused any problems, I know you all are sending in the info to the dev team.

Well it only took 3 weeks to get an answer.

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Originally Posted by Buckles

So server response and general performance of the "waiting 3-6 seconds on every operation" will be addressed, just not in 1.19. Well, I plan to return into the game around 1.20 so if it's done then or near enough to then pretty much everything that keeps me from firing up the game today will be sorted. With any luck, that'll fall in November when I get a new rig so I will be one happy Hyur!

To the OP: Great work on putting this issue forward. It is always the very best idea to challenge things like these to remove forum and internal speculation, so that we can maintain an open, knowledgeable flow of information between everyone involved and suffering these nagging issues. Thumbs up to all involved. Hurrah!

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Try Jan-Feb 2012.
Same here the steps are being made, all be it very slowly, I'm waiting for them to drop the generic classes and bring in real,fun, ff jobs/classes so I guess that will come with 1.20 in the early part of next year.
I have a feeling though the jobs will be put in like 1-2 at a time every 4-12 months though lol.
1.20 prob will = PLD WHM BLM thats it.... 4-12 months then you will see maybe WAR RDM 4-12 months ect. =/

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Originally Posted by Shikyo

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Try Jan-Feb 2012.
Same here the steps are being made, all be it very slowly, I'm waiting for them to drop the generic classes and bring in real,fun, ff jobs/classes so I guess that will come with 1.20 in the early part of next year.
I have a feeling though the jobs will be put in like 1-2 at a time every 4-12 months though lol.
1.20 prob will = PLD WHM BLM thats it.... 4-12 months then you will see maybe WAR RDM 4-12 months ect. =/

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Prolly not gonna see WHM and Black Mage at the same time, sorry.

Whenever they decide to add cool stuff to the game, right now I can tell you it feels as though it is coming along astronomically slow

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

Well it only took 3 weeks to get an answer.

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that's because they needed to figure out what the problem was. You can't expect them to give you an answer when they don't know what kind of problem they are dealing with.

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

Well it only took 3 weeks to get an answer.

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Lol this, wouldn't need to troll bump crap if only it didn't take so long...

As far as I understood the reply of Yoshi the problem lies (in the perspective of the devs) with the method that converts the two positions and speeds to an animation. So it's pretty much as we expected it to work. The server only fetches the data every few sec and tries to estimate a route based on that data. I'm not 100% sure but if the update rate is so low wouldn't it be better to use a curve instead of a line(by adding angular velocity)?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

As an aside, I do want to address the feeling on the forum that things need to be constantly bumped, or that we aren't going to address something unless someone translates it and posts it onto the Japanese forum. We read each of the threads and consider all of the comments that are being discussed. While responses cannot be made immediately in certain situations, and need time to be able to addressed, I don't want the mood of the community to be that we're ignoring it, or that only concerns on the Japanese forum are addressed.

We want you all to focus on the discussion and let us worry about making sure your thoughts, feelings and concerns are properly communicated.

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Not easy without even the slightest sign of acknowledgement - another case in point is billing. XIV still has no response, even though the XI people do.

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

Well it only took 3 weeks to get an answer.

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This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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Square Enix could just fire one of the NA Community Rep and replace them with Reinheart... Just a thought...

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

Well it only took 3 weeks to get an answer.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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LoL!!!
+10 for Bayohne laying the smack down!

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Originally Posted by Mug

Ok, I'll rephrase my question:

When can we expect to start seeing the results of this "ongoing" work on server-side issues?

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We have allready seen the effects of the ongoing work with server side issues. The drop in UI lag is immense from when the game launched.

So it will happen over time, could be years from now until they are happy with the server.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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People are just a little mad that taking time to get a easy issue question out. Like the payments we still have not yet got one but then again we found out what you guys are doing due to playonline. i mean how hard was it to tell us that info? so the rest that don't know can clam down a little?

But beside that the dev and yourself are doing a great job and i enjoy hearing any info you can give us i know some stuff are hard to give out info when there really noting on the works but anything would do. Even if it's we thought about it we don't have anything yet but we see :) is better then noting.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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Rep smackdown confirmed, apreciate the info Bayohne.

Furthermore I don't think the issue with people "Bumping" and "Fighting" to keep posts on the front page for dev attention will ever dissapear. While we are aware you guys read the posts, we also know we are more likely to prompt a response if we get a few hundred "Likes" on the thread.

Smaller posts and threads do get responses but I find the larger issues that are controversial among the fanbase tend to get adressed when post counts start to climb. Not saying you took too long or whatever I'm perfectly fine with the response we got, people need to know this isn't as easy as flipping a switch that is labled.

"Fix Servers"

But will be a ongoing thing for the development team going forward. Keep up the good work! I always look forward to your responses to these issues.

Haha very nice Bayohne, i may of over exaggerated alittle bit and i apologize. Now lets see how long it takes before it's fixed. I'll be waiting for the delayed apologie again when the time comes, maybe in 9 - 12 months? ;)

I disagree with the title of this topic (I believe that the single biggest issue holding back FFXIV is its convoluted and boring quest system, not server lag).

However, this is nonetheless an important issue that does need to be addressed. I wasn't even aware it was a real problem, but after seeing that YouTube video, I agree that it does need to be fixed (even though I think creating a fun and entertaining quest system is more important).

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Square Enix could just fire one of the NA Community Rep and replace them with Reinheart... Just a thought...

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Bayohne writes in perfect English, and his translations are official. Rein has the luxory of not being responsible if he translates something wrong. We'll all forgive him, because he's doing us a favor and getting us info sooner while Bayohne is busy arguing our arguements for us. While he clearly does do his best and wants to improve to be a translator for SE, that doesn't change the fact that Bayohne IS the rep and has more responsibilities.

Yeah, in addition to his already busy job as Community Rep, he got thrown the added responsibility of CR/mod for these forums, too. For the amount of stuff they have to deal with, they've done a decent job so far. There's always things that can be improved, but considering the last minute nature of the forum implementation, you gotta give them props for what they've accomplished.

I have to agree with what ReapKarmah said in the YouTube video;

"You did a marvelous job at proving this issue is real. Thank you! Seriously though, I understand MMOs have lag...but really? This is unacceptable!
Square Enix, to them I have one thing to say: Stop focusing on new content and optimize what content we already have!"

Mainly the last part. Optimizing what we already have instead of implementing new additions to the game, such as materia, chocobos etc. I think all this will add further problems.
I'm all for new content, but with the game the way it is, all efforts should be focused on fixing the 'frustrating' aspects of this MMO.

I have read most pages in this thread, and the replies from the Dev. I understand they are working on fixing these problems. Still, they need to be addressed promptly.

Just my thoughts though.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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Ya! Don't pick on Bay! He has been working hard to bring all the info (better later than never lol)...specially due the amount of random stuff that pops here daily!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I apologize for the delay in getting a response on this, but the team has been busy working on patch 1.19. We showed the video to Yoshida so that he could respond to what is being demonstrated in it. Please find his response below:


As you can see, there are many systems in play when it comes to the server/client relationship, so the overall term 'server-related adjustments' actually encompasses quite a few different things. This is just another step we are taking to improve the overall situation as development continues to address issues moving forward.

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and will they also prevent the problem on that enemy WS lock on and hit you before it actually start to swing?

I remember Matsu said that he want DoWs to fight orge/Batraal by doing the dodge. ..Okay, we tried it and we could do it sometimes, but most of the time my LS mates said that it is so stupid "why do we always have to dodge WS 5-10 sec ahead before it actually attack?" "Why could not it be like other action-RPG game where dodge = instantly?" It doesn't make sense and it make very few people want to try the dodging. So the system just not encourage it at all.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

As an aside, I do want to address the feeling on the forum that things need to be constantly bumped, or that we aren't going to address something unless someone translates it and posts it onto the Japanese forum. We read each of the threads and consider all of the comments that are being discussed. While responses cannot be made immediately in certain situations, and need time to be able to addressed, I don't want the mood of the community to be that we're ignoring it, or that only concerns on the Japanese forum are addressed.

We want you all to focus on the discussion and let us worry about making sure your thoughts, feelings and concerns are properly communicated.

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I beleive you guys do look at a many threads as you can, and yes some people are impatient. I think you guys do a great job and it's always nice to see answers to our questions, even more so when they are as detailed as the responce earlier in this thread.

However all you need to do is click on the "Dev tracker" button at the top of the page to see that, although you may look at all our feedback the japanese comunity is much better informed. and this is where i beleive alot of the frustration lies, and beleif that only the Japanese threads get looked at. It would be nice if the EU comunity could get feedback on par with the Japanese comunity.

I think you guys are doing good job even if i don't agree with some of the recent changes, in the end the game is getting better and better.

Give me my GD chocobo. Then you can go about whatever server business you have.

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Originally Posted by InuraBera

This is definitely a long term thing that they are working on, quoting Naoki Yoshida (thanks to Reinharts translation)



Also, you are somewhat wrong about other games - the delay between me moving in WoW and my brother seeing me do so - on an EU server but playing from the same room, is around 3-4 seconds. I also remember (and still 'enjoy') the target too close messages when a Warrior is ripping into my Hunter because to me he is still a good 25 yards away. Often when I try to sell items they go grey as 'selling' then it can take quite a few moments for them to actually sell.

In WoW however, instea dof cutting corners, you see other players either pop next to you or speed up. I have no doubt that if you checked your log the timing of the enemy becoming engaged would be when you saw his attack in the log (in FFXIV it seems you do the animation after the fact...true in WoW as well it just shows it doing the 'damage' when it hits - it is better feedback for sure. For example, I know I'm going to crit before an animation goes off in WoW because I gain the ability to activate moves that go after a crit.

That isn't to say I don't think they should improve it of course but please stop trying to pass this off as a FFXIV exclusive when every online game suffers it (being shot through walls in a small scale shooter anyone?)

*Edit* Urgh, typing from PS3, hard to read :P

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beat me to it by like 30 pages but since this is till going... ^this

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Square Enix could just fire one of the NA Community Rep and replace them with Reinheart... Just a thought...

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I like that you're supporting me but don't think what you said was cool, the NA community Reps are doing awesome job in my opinion. I had my chance and tried my best but didn't get the position. Look at my translations and compare to the Rep posts, mines nothing close to professional, mines quick and probably has some/lots of mistakes on some parts and like others said what I post I just post as a player so I don't have that much responsibility. If I said something wrong I could just say oops sorry and walk away; Community Reps on the other hand have to make sure what they post is 100% accurate. As I'm doing more and more of the translations and comparing with Bay's or other reps response I see lots of parts I need to brush up on if I ever want to try again for the translator position, most likely it wont happen in my life time :)

Anyways enough off topic post from me on this thread :)

OP your video is great, i have this same problem at home with me and my wifes account. there always seems to be a few seconds delay, SE need to address this issue

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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hahaha burn.
should always take into account business days.

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I like that you're supporting me but don't think what you said was cool, the NA community Reps are doing awesome job in my opinion. I had my chance and tried my best but didn't get the position. Look at my translations and compare to the Rep posts, mines nothing close to professional, mines quick and probably has some/lots of mistakes on some parts and like others said what I post I just post as a player so I don't have that much responsibility. If I said something wrong I could just say oops sorry and walk away; Community Reps on the other hand have to make sure what they post is 100% accurate.

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This is pretty much what I was saying in my post Reinhart. We ALL appreciate what you do, really we do. Nothing is worse than seeing a JP post and having to wait 12h to see it (might seem pathetic, but in context of this game we are dying for new info.)

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As I'm doing more and more of the translations and comparing with Bay's or other reps response I see lots of parts I need to brush up on if I ever want to try again for the translator position, most likely it wont happen in my life time

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This is what I'd hate to see you say. I recently started trying to learn Japanese and it's been overwhelming. I know English is just as rough, considering words like "wound" which can not only mean two different things, but can also be pronounced different depending on how you use it (I wound the clock, or I sustained a wound.) Don't say it won't happen in your lifetime, just continue to communicate with English speaking people (especially verbally rather than online) and you will continue to see results. I'd like to speak for everyone when I say we have all seen improvements from your earlier translations to your latest. I think part of the reason we cheer for you is not only to get the info sooner, but also that we all want to see you succeed!!

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Originally Posted by Chrees

No need to rephrase your question. Just see the last part of my answer, lol. There are some things they can't give an exact answer to.

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They can give an estimated answer. Surely they know by now if it will happen this year or next year. A lot of *very* basic things like a delivery system and linkshell options rely on this, so I don't feel that wanting more info is unwarranted.

Takes time to read through all the stupid and get to the point.

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Originally Posted by Risae

I don't think they will fix it until we have to pay our monthly fee.

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They never fixed it in XI, why would they fix it here?

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I like that you're supporting me but don't think what you said was cool, the NA community Reps are doing awesome job in my opinion. I had my chance and tried my best but didn't get the position. Look at my translations and compare to the Rep posts, mines nothing close to professional, mines quick and probably has some/lots of mistakes on some parts and like others said what I post I just post as a player so I don't have that much responsibility. If I said something wrong I could just say oops sorry and walk away; Community Reps on the other hand have to make sure what they post is 100% accurate. As I'm doing more and more of the translations and comparing with Bay's or other reps response I see lots of parts I need to brush up on if I ever want to try again for the translator position, most likely it wont happen in my life time :)

Anyways enough off topic post from me on this thread :)

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are you in japan? i thought i saw you say your in los angeles.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

This thread was started on Saturday, August 20th... Today is Tuesday, August 30th. Taking into account weekends, it took around 5-6 business days to get a response. I understand the frustration and I did apologize about the delay, but three weeks? C'mon now, Sponge Bob! ;)

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ROFL (b'.')b

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The single biggest issue holding back FFXIV needs to be specifically addressed.

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Came in expecting discussion on lack of Oglops, leaving disappointed.

Hey, you may want to check it out (funny bug with crafting animation) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XUN8T1sDQY

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Originally Posted by roganoken

Hey, you may want to check it out (funny bug with crafting animation) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XUN8T1sDQY

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Seriously no bug... he just got his ride pimped by west coast customs!

Here another one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJfL2taaNQ

This one is a little bit more annoying :s

You also get the same kind of problem with the animation of the eyes (you think you're getting the aoe but you're not, the opposite works too). Idk how you american guys feel about it (I guess i'm good to start reading this huge interesting thread entirely), but we (french) get like 2 seconds lag feeling all along the dungeon : you think you're before everyone else but you're actually way behind.

This isn't something they're going to fix. FFXIV for some reason has the most lag I've ever seen in a game before. When I play other MMOs, I play with friends in a vent server so that we can communicate quickly. In games such as Guild Wars, there's literally no noticeable lag between what we all see on screen. We can coordinate quickly and what we say in vent is what's going on right now in game. FFXIV, however, is another story. Sometimes a friend will tell me not to attack something, but i've already been attacking it for 2-3 seconds on my screen. Or they'll have died on their client, or taken some damage I could have healed or prevented, but it doesn't ever show up for another 2-3 seconds on my client. I can't express how many times we've died due to the input lag and the server lag. This is seriously a game breaking issue, and in my opinion, should be the number 1 priority of the dev team.