New Job System Incoming!!! - But what does this mean??

Not that I want to get involved in that other discussion but I think you guys are both overlooking the thing that made it overpowered/viable/etc.

Ninja sub.

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Originally Posted by solracht

Endgame. The paladin that presented himself to the team would be sent back to his mog house to change jobs if their group cared about efficiency and low-manning.

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Oh really? I never had any problem of the sort. Maybe becayse i was a good tank and in most cases I didn't even need the utsusemi explot in order to be more efficent than most others?

Going around as a ninja with a cheesy armor a tank doesn't make.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Not that I want to get involved in that other discussion but I think you guys are both overlooking the thing that made it overpowered/viable/etc.

Ninja sub.

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Shhh, he may realize he's getting trolled.

*cough* I mean, paladin needed ninja sub to tank too anyways. Bad argument.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Oh really? I never had any problem of the sort. Maybe becayse i was a good tank?

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I've tanked as a White Mage in FFXI multiple times, Both in and out of Bones Parties.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Oh really? I never had any problem of the sort. Maybe becayse i was a good tank and in most cases I didn't even need the utsusemi explot in order to be more efficent than most others?

Going around as a ninja with a cheesy armor a tank doesn't make.

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Holy shit lol. I was about to let this drop, but I have to keep on going now.

It's not a matter of arguing or opinion. Defense was useless in that game. You got hit like a truck and there was nothing you could do about it besides casting shadows.

Hopefully not "talent trees" that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by solracht

Shhh, he may realize he's getting trolled.

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At least you admit it.

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*cough* I mean, paladin needed ninja sub to tank too anyways. Bad argument.

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"need" is a big, big word my friend.

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Originally Posted by solracht

It's not a matter of arguing or opinion. Defense was useless in that game. You got hit like a truck and there was nothing you could do about it besides casting shadows.

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So you say :D
The cases in which I needed utsusemi were extremely limited. Ninja sub (which was nothing else than a legalized exploit, and one of the main flaws of FFXI) doesn't make your main class a tank if it's not a tank to begin with. Otherwise everyone could be defined a tank.

I don't agree that a gladiator is a "sword user" and an archer is a "bow user", regardless of what the translations say or what those words "mean". My job is an archer, and I am limited to bows. The level of my job determines my skills and hp and mp and def and eva and acc and everything else that makes you able to hold your own in a higher setting. In a literal sense, how well I use a bow should have nothing to do with my hp. I don't want to feel like I'm leveling up weapons. That doesn't feel like FF to me. I want to level up jobs, and use weapons, whether I am limited in my weapon selection or i have every weapon available. It just doesn't feel right.

probably got mentioned but "weapon type" doesnt really mean anything even now, a weapon has a class aligned to it and your class is defined by the one stated on the weapon, you can use two-handed staffs or wand/clubs on both conjurer and thaumaturge, its just the class is decided by what they choose for that weapon, even if both weapons are of identical type.

But i agree it is most likely a topper system, so you pick a class and then you can have any weapon on it. like XI.

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Originally Posted by Kazimir

Hopefully not "talent trees" that's for sure.

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Please god I hope not, Talent Trees would not be necessary in a Armoury/Job System.