Characters sliding on the ground... Will it be fixed for the release? Dev please?

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Originally Posted by Klefth

I don't get why they couldn't just keep the start/stop animations we had.

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ENTER IFRIT FIGHT
Me: "COME ON GUYS WE CAN DO THIS"
Plebs: "YEA WE GUN DO DIZ"
Plebs: "Shioban, avoid the patches on the ground, run quick!"
Me: "Okay!....wait...CASTING Curaga, STUCK IN ANIMATION LOCK. WTFrerw43242351211!!!1!"
Plebs: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
All plebs get stuck in animation lock casting spells and weapon skills and drop like a £1,000 vase on a tile floor.
Me: "Its okay, we can try 5,000 more times until we finally get it"

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdA_WsroUCQ&t=66m30s

Look from 1h6m30s to forward (the link should open already at that time btw)

Just wondering if it'll be fixed for the release, cause in alpha videos and old live letters it was present, but ppl said: oh it's just alpha, it will be fixed for the beta.

Now we've seen beta footage from the live letter and the "sliding" it's still very.. VERY persistent... :mad:

It's really a shame IMHO for a "triple A" MMO like FFXIV, expecially considering that one of Yoshi's goal is the best graphics among all the mmos...

I never seen so much sliding on the ground even in the worst of F2Ps ...
Even FFXI or the old XIV didn't have this issue...

What do you think guys? :confused:

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Goodbye Sloth

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Originally Posted by Shioban

ENTER IFRIT FIGHT
Me: "COME ON GUYS WE CAN DO THIS"
Plebs: "YEA WE GUN DO DIZ"
Plebs: "Shioban, avoid the patches on the ground, run quick!"
Me: "Okay!....wait...CASTING Curaga, STUCK IN ANIMATION LOCK. WTFrerw43242351211!!!1!"
Plebs: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
All plebs get stuck in animation lock casting spells and weapon skills and drop like a £1,000 vase on a tile floor.
Me: "Its okay, we can try 5,000 more times until we finally get it"

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Note how I was talking about the start/stop animations we had for walking and running, not the animation lock we had on abilities. Those extra movement animations did not hinder your movement at all. Ever. Characters simply started running on a slightly different animation which then led to the normal one after a few steps (while keeping the same movement speed), and they stopped where they were meant to.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Note how I was talking about the start/stop animations we had for walking and running, not the animation lock we had on abilities. Those extra movement animations did not hinder your movement at all. Ever. Characters simply started running on a slightly different animation which then led to the normal one after a few steps (while keeping the same movement speed), and they stopped where they were meant to.

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That is the case, Kleft, they didn't. Starting up into a run had a different speed from full tilt and stopping running had two extra steps. That wasn't noticeable when you were looking someone else run because of the lag, the entire process was a way of masking the laggy response to movement. I always noticed how the "You are moving" signal would stay active long (relatively) after I let go of the button, it made stopping to cast very problematic.

What they ARE doing is changing and adjust the animations to mask as much as possible the occurance of the 'sliding', but they already admit a perfect job is impossible, people who are REALLY THAT WORRIED about it like you and like a dozen other people will notice, people who are really more worried about gameplay and other aspects like me and most others, won't.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Note how I was talking about the start/stop animations we had for walking and running, not the animation lock we had on abilities. Those extra movement animations did not hinder your movement at all. Ever. Characters simply started running on a slightly different animation which then led to the normal one after a few steps (while keeping the same movement speed), and they stopped where they were meant to.

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This, gw2 as example, very well done start/stop animation without action lock (well tbh it has "falling animation", idle animation etc... it's very well done from this side.. )

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Originally Posted by Denmo

they were set animations that had a set movement speed. which required slow starts/stops to your running. Players complained (rightly so), because it, and other realistic animation problems caused locking issues.

SE has never been one to trust a computer to smoothly blend animations either, from what I've seen. So unless they adopt a system like what you saw in say, Jak and Daxter, don't expect this to fully go away.

Edit: Also, 1.0 wasn't flawless about sliding either~~~~~

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That's hilarious - You win a cookie.

On the matter of Animations from 1.0 being replaced in 2.0 - All I really want is the best of both worlds; make the animations as realistic as you can, but make sure they're also not going to get us killed.

Watching someone attempt to kite, run for their lives while attacking, or try to dodge skills is hilarious when they're rooted to the ground because their skills say so, likewise, watching crafters and players drift about like they're Iceman defies the point of having realistic movement anyways.

You know, even more problematic is the fact that they also have to account for the fact that we can jump now to, so there's the issue of the Z-Axis in animations; It's not my job to worry about this type of work though, I honestly could not care so long as the animations work and I won't get killed because it.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Note how I was talking about the start/stop animations we had for walking and running, not the animation lock we had on abilities. Those extra movement animations did not hinder your movement at all. Ever. Characters simply started running on a slightly different animation which then led to the normal one after a few steps (while keeping the same movement speed), and they stopped where they were meant to.

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EXACTLY - The little things are always there to improve on the bigger things... like Tessellation on stairs that aren't quite realistic enough, or Ifrit rubbing his butt after I've stuffed my spear up it for the 100th time.

Update:

I was watching the live stream for ifrit battle, and the sliding it's still here :( .. Sadly, nothing has changed from alpha/beta1-2 ...

http://youtu.be/737ePkbLfIc?t=20s

look when they move around before entering in bowl of embers..