Please get rid of surplus SP

Invert the current system. Turn it to a rest SP bonus. Keep the same balance, but change how they are shown to the players.

That's all I ask for.

Surplus was added to players could not reach max level because what the point of getting rank 50 if there was noting for players to do? I think SE should keep the Surplus system up to 50 then when FFXIV have a new level cap you no longer have surplus. Or just take off all together but i think surplus is added as a level curve While in ffxi you needed to stop to level up Sub jobs and unlock limit breaks. FFXIV have surplus allowing all players to gain the same amount of Sp and give the players that have more time to play to switch to other class. But it still lack players who have more time to play still gain more level 50 matter with surplus or not SE should fix surplus or take it off.

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Originally Posted by Gennosuke

I am surprised people are still complaining about this.

I find the idea actually good and the penalty isn't that harsh assuming you play like a sane person. I would like to stress that there is a much bigger picture to consider here than the surplus. I think for those in a rush to get to 50, you'll soon realize there's not much to do when you hit 50 due to lack of content and that is when you may feel an even bigger urge to quit because you've done all there is to do and i believe that's precisely one of the major reasons for limiting SP gain at the moment.

The issue here is lack of content to keep players busy and enjoying the game. Where is the fun in spamming the attack button a million times until you hit 50? what are you hoping to achieve by grinding so quick? There is no end-game content atm and the battle/class system is munted as the polls clearly indicated. If anything, i'd be complaining about them instead. As was pointed out before and as SE knows well, players quitting/suspending (myself included) aren't doing so due to surplus, but due to the horrible and incomplete state of the game. Removing surplus is quite insignificant in the overall success factor of this game, if anything surplus is giving players more time to hold on to game until content is released. if everyone was to hit 50 now, Game will be literally over, especially since many of the opposers expressed their lack of interest in playing other jobs. If however, you fancy playing other jobs, then the surplus system works for you, not against you.

In the end, it really is just in your head, they can easily rename it/bring it across as rested SP as some stated or they can remove the surplus SP and just lower SP gain again. Ultimately the point is that the hardcore players need to chill out from grinding because as the game stands now, you're not supposed to reach 50 so quick, it's not in FFXIV's interest nor yours for that matter. Take it easy until more content is released, then you'll have enough to keep you occupied. There is more to an MMO than grinding one job after the other and that is what SE is trying to fix up now with their frequent updates, so bear with them and be patient if this game means much to you.

The other important point is, this game was designed with the casual player in mind. There are countless MMO's out there targeting hardcore players who are willing to waste their life away on a game. I for one joined this game due to the concept of casual play and i know many others have. I would have very little interest playing if everyone grinded their life away and got to rank 100 and im still at rank 20 due to my limited play-time. Everyone knew this was the idea of the game in the first place, you'd have to ask yourself why joined it if it doesn't suit you? There's tons out there targeting hardcore players with even a much more enjoyable experience as it stands.

You are paying money to play the game the way it was designed to be played. That is the key point.

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The key point is a majority of people (including myself a "casual" gamer with maybe an 2 hrs to play each day) find this system a horrible idea. Id like to be 50 on my crafts and my main to be ready for end game content when it does come out. The quicker i get to 50 the quicker i can play less or focus on other jobs without the worry of not being ready. But im sick of having my sp limited because i grinded for 2 hrs i had free a few days ago and now im sp is dropping? thats bullshit

and yeah if a guy has no life and plays all day and you cant he does deserve to be farther in the game thats not unfair or unreasonable u moron

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Originally Posted by Verecund

They shot their hardcore fans in the foot by introducing things like 'Fatigue' and 'Stamina' (implemented to cut down on hardcore grinders), in order to physically stop players from reaching the max level too fast.

But the worst part, for me at least, is still having reached reached max level through all of these obstacles to find that there is still insufficient content 6 months later... :(

I'm just wondering how they're going to drastically improve the game to the point where soon-incoming PS3 customers will actually stick with the game, thus generating enough revenue to actually keep the game going...

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But then in the end, Hardcore players still are able to reach 50 am i right? so why the hush about getting rid of it? Your point is invalid.

Please Keep surplus, it makes people play other classes instead of playing the game like its WoW.

Start leveling other classes when you hit surplus people. Or grind through it and quit whining.

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Originally Posted by OroCole

and yeah if a guy has no life and plays all day and you cant he does deserve to be farther in the game thats not unfair or unreasonable u moron

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I have 2 assumptions to make here about you.

1) You are a little kid judging by your flaming post.

2) You have not read the terms and rules of conduct before joining these forums, clearly stating not to offend other users.

These forums are primarily for subscirbed gamers who are paying money, as such you won't get away easily by flaming or cussing other users and your ID is attached to your username and will be reported and dealt with. If you'd like to agree to disagree, then by all means, that is your opinion, but i wont tolerate kids with offensive remarks. so consider yourself warned and grow up for that matter, there are elders who play this game.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Please Keep surplus, it makes people play other classes instead of playing the game like its WoW.

Start leveling other classes when you hit surplus people. Or grind through it and quit whining.

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And Applause to you Doctor Mog as you really are Hardcore and surplus doesn't even flinch you! See guys! Here a person who can reach Max Rank with Surplus! :D

Fatigue hurts semi-casual players.

For example: Let's say it's Sunday and it is my day to play FFXIV right? I get an 8 hour block today but not much chance to play again (continuously) until next week, or maybe two weeks later.

You are telling me that after 4 hours I gotta go level something other than my main class, or be penalized?

This is my time, my shining moment. I watched kids, cleaned rooms, did my yard work, helped with homework, trash, dishes, vaccuming, spent quality time with the wife, took down the christmas lights (finally), took the kids to the park, the science center, the museum.

All is well. It's my turn SE. My turn to do whatever I want. You see?

You are telling me I can't level GLD for 8 hours straight without penalty if that's what I want to do? Bah.

If I'm going to pay for this game I will tell YOU what I'm going to do with my free time. Not the other way around

Indeed. I, as well, fully support the removal of said "Surplus" SP system. It's a "surplus" pain in my rear-end!