New Relic step is great

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

I found this Reddit list: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ew_relic_step/

One item here:

"For those curious about what's left after this, you have to charge the aetherwell (a key item) which has four categories:
Green: High-level Dungeon
Blue: Alliance Raids
Red: Trials
Yellow: Normal Raids

Raids? I haven't done any raids in years and don't know any of the current fights. If this is required, I guess my relic progress ends here.

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Roulette raids are easy and most of what you get is so old you can be carried easily as a worst case scenerio.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

A grind would be needing to spam specific duties or fight specific bosses and etc. Doing your roulettes once a day, which is what a lot of people do already, isn't a grind. It's their daily chore.

The point of contention people had with the EW relics is they were a boring tomestone grind while you simply did roulettes and got one with zero effort. This step is literally that, but dressed up as something else. And then it becomes actually that anyway.

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If you look back at the old relics that were so highly praised by those wanting a grind and hating the EW tomestone relics, what were those specific duties and bosses, etc.? The things that would have made up the roulettes back in the day, plus some fate grinding!

So you’re right in that it’s a tomestone grind (and fate grinding for the first step) dressed up as something else, but really, so were all the past ones. I’m just happy it’s not an “artificially extended for the unlucky by RNG” grind. I’ll do the daily 4 roulettes, and maybe do some of them more than once on days I feel like it, watching the numbers go up and seeing steady progress.

I sympathize with those who had wished there was an OC component to the relic… but with only two zones, where were they going to put it? The first step already used all the fates and CEs. Maybe if Forked Tower had actually had its originally planned but scrapped Normal mode, you could’ve done that repeatedly for bonus Aetherwell farming. But as it is, making FTB part of the relic would kill the relic altogether, and it seems like they realize that.

I thought relic weapons were supposed to be casual content? That's why the weapon will never be as good as a raiding weapon. All it takes is your time. It doesn't require you to do anything "hard" in the game because that would be absurd. Just time.

They may as well take these out of the game because nobody can win with any design that goes into these weapons. They've tried more grindy, they've tried to make it easy, and now they have tried the middle road, and there's still haters. You literally cannot please everybody, and this is one of those times where not everyone is going to agree, no matter how these are acquired.

Also, this IS an MMO. You are going to have to cooperate with other people at SOME point if you plan to make any kind of progress.

So what is it do you want them to do with these relics weapons if dungeons don't work, item grinds don't work, fate grinding doesn't work, having to get crafting mats doesn't work. At some point you're going to just have to accept it for what it is and move on from it.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

I found this Reddit list: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ew_relic_step/

One item here:

"For those curious about what's left after this, you have to charge the aetherwell (a key item) which has four categories:
Green: High-level Dungeon
Blue: Alliance Raids
Red: Trials
Yellow: Normal Raids

Raids? I haven't done any raids in years and don't know any of the current fights. If this is required, I guess my relic progress ends here.

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Only the roulette is required, so you do not even need to have the current fights unlocked. You can smack A1N and A2N all the way if you only have those unlocked.
It is the same for the alliance raids, you can only do LotA and Syrcus (through the roulette, not direct queuing) and complete the aetherwell.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Raids? I haven't done any raids in years and don't know any of the current fights. If this is required, I guess my relic progress ends here.

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Don't worry about it, it's a roulette like any other, and people will help you out if you're rusty or lost. Just ask nicely and be open to receiving advice. Your roulette also won't queue you into anything you haven't unlocked and everything is normal mode only, so some muscle memory might come back to you if you used to run them often.


The more you run them, the more you'll remember and/or learn, you got this!

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Originally Posted by St0rmy

This relic weapon step is good. I don't know why people are complaining.

It's easy enough to gather the first few materials. It barely costs anything on the marketboard with how much people are making. The 300k gil item is barely a gil sink. Gil is pretty much worthless in this game unless you: own a house and are decorating it or are doing week 1 raiding and are paying someone for armor.

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It would cost more than 300k gils if you are not crafting the synthetics from master recipes and buying them from the market board.

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Originally Posted by TeresaFortell

It would cost more than 300k gils if you are not crafting the synthetics from master recipes and buying them from the market board.

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The prices of the craftables have crashed so far so quickly they are barely a consideration

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Originally Posted by Basteala

It's a big "F U" to anyone that doesn't really get into crafting and gathering, though.

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Giving an actual good reason for crafters/gatherers to actually use their skills and provide for people building relics is awesome. You don't have to make everything yourself, that's why we're in an MMO :D You grind gil, buy the item (or mats and talk to a crafter to make it). It's a win for combat oriented characters that have money to spare and crafters that have a goal to work towards.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

The repeating quest is apparently just a tome grind again.... Nice 1500 tomes again... how boring.

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Setting aside the rest of your post for for a moment i want to address why grinding tomes when you come back for more relic weapons is completely fine.

it's not boring, that's the best QoL change they ever made to relic farming. We get the sort of challenge for the relic grind that people crave, but repeats are streamlined through the use of tomestones, so people don't have to invest serious time into grinding for a second, third, forth, etc. relic weapon. I know of several people who consistently grind for EVERY relic in each expansion and i can only imagine that not needing to spend 3 million gil and weeks upon weeks of light farming on 20+ jobs is a godsend.

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Originally Posted by St0rmy

This relic weapon step is good. I don't know why people are complaining.

It's easy enough to gather the first few materials. It barely costs anything on the marketboard with how much people are making. The 300k gil item is barely a gil sink. Gil is pretty much worthless in this game unless you: own a house and are decorating it or are doing week 1 raiding and are paying someone for armor.

The roulette step afterwards is nice. I do wish there was an alternative method in OC especially with the upcoming phantom jobs but I still do my roulettes daily (albeit I don't do high level dungeons this gives me proper incentive to do them) so this works out fine for me. I don't need the weapon asap. It'll be something that completes itself in 10 or so days. Part of me almost wishes that the roulette step was required for each weapon but afiak it goes to the 1.5k tomestone after this, which is a nice for subsequent weapons.

I'm not sure what people expect. Devs can't seem to win. Either there is no grind or it's too grindy. The only bad thing is this step is missing inclusion with OC.

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Because they simultaneously want something challenging, but only in the things they want. They asked for something harder and the devs delivered, so now they are complaining that it's not fair and it is too hard because they neglect crafting/gathering and how dare Squeenix try and make them do content. (that last bit was sarcastic).

The devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Nothing they do or add is ever good enough for some of these people and the ones who act the part of contrarians are often the loudest minority on the forum and on social media.