The State of Machinist in DT - Let's talk about it (again).

Just replying to thread to help add my voice in hopes Yoshi-P and the development team will hear our plea's a little better.

Please learn how to play the machinist job and demonstrate competent meaningful changes to the job. It seems the community of players and the developers do not view the job in the same way and do not assess the job's capabilities the same way. I wish you would provide more information as to the reasoning for the developers' decision making when making changes to the Machinist job, so we can understand why you have chosen to make it such a poor performer.

Currently, Machinist and other physical ranged jobs have retained lower DPS overall in favor of party buff contributions as well as, in compensation for the increased movement flexibility during combat. However, with your development combat team failing to create engaging and complicated movement in combat -specifically adding complication to melee roles-, this mindset is now incorrect. The developer mindset must change and make combat significantly more challenging for Melee DPS so fewer of them are capable of maintaining their significantly higher DPS over physical ranged dps.

If you will not do this to melee DPS, then please consider giving machinist a party buff once more. You removed this hypercharge ability in the past but you did not buff machinist damage to compensate. Please add healthy challenge and party buff to the role so we can be seen as a more competent job at the highest levels of player skill in challenging content. Please consider some way to reduce punishment upon death due to our gauge build up being lost on death and this is a significant portion of our DPS compared to other jobs in the physical ranged role when they die.

Please make flamethrower and the queen robot more engaging to use. There should be a single target and a multi-target option for the queen robot or perhaps a damage synergy between the queen robot and some of our other moves so we have more DPS while the queen is out.

I may not be very smart with more complex and nuanced suggestions, but it is clear that the development team did not put forth a comprehensive, proper effort to assess the machinist job's current state of play. Or, the team did, but then the developer viewpoint is vastly different of the job than the player base and rectification of this issue needs to take place. Please do not make us wait 2 years. Please.

Thank you for taking time to read my additional comment to this.

Players really shouldn't have to wait until the next expansion for even the slightest hope that the developers will make any meaningful changes to a job that obviously needs them. Hopefully they make changes as soon as possible but even then we're already down 2 out of 3 of the raid tiers. The excuse of "changing job design in 8.0" doesn't mean you can just leave current jobs stale.

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Originally Posted by Id_Slayer

increased movement flexibility during combat

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Laughs in m7s where you are out of range range sort of twice.

All this "mobility" stuff is BS. You can play mch, you can play any other melee. You are not losing tens % of your dps by not being at boss sometimes but you are taxed on ranged by just existing.

Any dps class right now is just preference what you like since almost everyone plays same. I gave up trying to find meaning in me playing dps when i leveled current monk to 100 and realised it's just viper with non condensed buttons.

There are ranged mechanics in this tier, but there are no phys ranged mechanics. MCH, and BRD should get walking casts like they do in PVP with some mobility tools, and they will still be able to handle these ranged responsibilities very easily.

I talked now with a lot of high end players and everyone says the same, Machi is really good in M6S but still got locked out why? Pretty simple, because perception matters in PF more then anything else, one person says machi is bad, everyone believes him and boohm we have the current Situation, and tbh i dont even see the fault in MCH completly i see a fault in Squares Design with Phys Ranges, i mean he needs to compare against 2 Classes which have THREE Raidbuffs, imagine you give the Melees 3 Raidbuffs and look then how the Balance between Melees would look, in a rDPS Vacuum the Number where everyone looks at, the selfish would fall really down.

BRD barely has better rDPS than MCH despite having raid buffs, and MCH has way better aDPS. Then you have the dismantle tax + MCH being simple compared to most other jobs.

I don't think there really is a problem with MCH dps, you can't just call it a problem because it's the lowest performing job lol.

On top of this, parse community bias is showing strong. There are just not many MCH parses, meaning people who "care about performance" are avoiding it like the plague. You aren't seeing the same expression of skill in MCH because people just aren't playing it.

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Originally Posted by nguyentri11

Players really shouldn't have to wait until the next expansion for even the slightest hope that the developers will make any meaningful changes to a job that obviously needs them. Hopefully they make changes as soon as possible but even then we're already down 2 out of 3 of the raid tiers. The excuse of "changing job design in 8.0" doesn't mean you can just leave current jobs stale.

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So you are basicly saying to people waiting since 2 years to wait 2 more.
Squarenix is some kind a small indie studio making the game in their garage after work with no budget ?

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

I talked now with a lot of high end players and everyone says the same, Machi is really good in M6S but still got locked out why? Pretty simple, because perception matters in PF more then anything else, one person says machi is bad, everyone believes him and boohm we have the current Situation

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That must be that same damn guy that told everybody on fflogs to sandbag on MCH to make sure that it shows very bad there as well. Damn this guy, whats a mastermind he is.

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Originally Posted by Qyoon

So you are basicly saying to people waiting since 2 years to wait 2 more.
Squarenix is some kind a small indie studio making the game in their garage after work with no budget ?

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Double checked what I typed so I'm confused why you think I'm saying "people waiting since 2 years to wait 2 more".

Bump for visibility. Keep the MCH threads and posts coming!