If the game is getting harder then we will need dps metres. Official ones.

The only jobs that I can think of that need the dps meters are the ones that are either very high on actions per minute (you know who you are, you crazy ninja player), and the ones that are overly convoluted like DRK that requires some grappling just to get the thing working the way you want. That and tackling savage is more about not trying to dps your heart out the first couple of pulls. In general it's about seeing as much of the fight as possible before engaging in practicing an active rotation while fighting.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The only jobs that I can think of that need the dps meters are the ones that are either very high on actions per minute (you know who you are, you crazy ninja player), and the ones that are overly convoluted like DRK that requires some grappling just to get the thing working the way you want. That and tackling savage is more about not trying to dps your heart out the first couple of pulls. In general it's about seeing as much of the fight as possible before engaging in practicing an active rotation while fighting.

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While I agree when you're progging, I disagree after that.
Once you know the mechanics of a fight and have done it enough times that you don't die, it gets real stale since there's 0 new progression. DPS meters at least give you the option to see if you're improving or not.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The only jobs that I can think of that need the dps meters are the ones that are either very high on actions per minute (you know who you are, you crazy ninja player), and the ones that are overly convoluted like DRK that requires some grappling just to get the thing working the way you want. That and tackling savage is more about not trying to dps your heart out the first couple of pulls. In general it's about seeing as much of the fight as possible before engaging in practicing an active rotation while fighting.

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Dark Knight and convoluted? The job that is literally just 1-2-3 and then spam every oGCD you have every 60 seconds?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

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Dark Knight and convoluted? The job that is literally just 1-2-3 and then spam every oGCD you have every 60 seconds?

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To be fair this in it of itself is actually an argument for DPS meters, the average member of the community simply has no idea how most of the jobs actually work because the game never gives feedback

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

To be fair this in it of itself is actually an argument for DPS meters, the average member of the community simply has no idea how most of the jobs actually work because the game never gives feedback

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When I'm healing, and consistently out damaging other people at lvl 90. . . yeaaah I've seen tons of people who don't even know the basics of their job at max level (or they just don't care which is worse)

Ignorance or Apathy.

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Originally Posted by Asako

Because it's true. If you are playing Melee DPS and a ranged DPS has a higher number than you, chances are he is doing more damage. What's the issue? You have a general idea what position you should be in for each role, if you are not in that position then check your gear or rotation.

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It can be used to interpret sizable differences in damage dealt, but it's still a baseline method. BRD sucks at generating enmity regardless of how well it's being played and SMN generates a boatload despite being one of the weaker parsing jobs. And then it doesn't apply at all for healers and tanks since they generate extra.

We actually had a good DPS meter built into the game before SE made keeping hate super-easy mode. The DPS meter we have now is more-or-less the hate meter. Players no longer have enmity-reducing abilities like before. So, those bars more or less represent everyone's DPS in relation to each other (minus the tank). Of course, with tanks generating an absurd amount of hate, top DPS has a hate meter about 1 pixel wide. Frankly, the hate meter is absolutely useless. It tells players little of value. It should just be replaced with a DPS meter.

They could program it to display everyone's hate based on the top DPS. Sure, put the tank with tank stance at the top (full bar). Put top DPS also at the top. Let everyone be a percentage below that.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

The problem with healing meters is that it doesn't actually tell you anything about how well you're playing if it doesn't differentiate between effective healing and overhealing, because as you get better at judging how much you need to heal it will naturally go down.

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It also doesn't account for the situation. I have golden healing parses on Thordan Unreal and a bunch of purples in the older Endwalker raid tiers. Does that mean I'm a healer god? No. It means my co-haeler was high as a kite (by their own admission) and I was basically solo healing those fights. I understand how parsing can be useful but a lot of people seem to treat it as some sort of omniscient, completely objective tool which it just flat out isn't. That and a lot of people don't know how to read statistics or graphs if the discourse I've seen online is anything to go by.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

To be fair this in it of itself is actually an argument for DPS meters, the average member of the community simply has no idea how most of the jobs actually work because the game never gives feedback

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I imagine I'm not the only player who finds the optimal rotations of many jobs to be quite counter-intuitive. If they make sense to other people, great. They often don't to me. Learning them is a chore because my pea brain has trouble handling them and people who don't actively go out of their way to look them up might have no idea there's an optimal rotation in the first place. The game certainly doesn't teach us any of them. We're lucky if the tutorials don't contain outdated ability names. And that's not mentioning Freecure and similar noob traps.

Everyone used Details! in WoW and it was horrible, people became completely insane freaks including all the usual stuff about raging in non-Mythic dungeons and the Mythic+ scene was a sewer pit. If you think that wouldn't happen in FF14 you have no idea.