Why is the playerbase so mentally fragile now

Calling out somebody for underperforming - Toxic

Just remember, the toxicity only exists because people choose to underperform and drag everyone else down with them.

If you can't take feedback or advice without having a mental breakdown, MMO's most likely are not the right genre for you.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I see we are participating in the time-honored tradition of complaining about people being snowflakes. Here's the thing - unless someone specifically asks for it, nobody wants to hear your feedback. Chances are, the person *knows* they messed up and the last thing they need is you pointing it out. I'm fine with it now but there was a time when I was much younger and your actions would upset me. I have anxiety, learning a new role or job is extremely stressful. Maybe this person was the same.

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TLDR : "let me stay bad god damnit, i dont need your advice, i didnt ask for it, i want to stay bad!"

It never fails to amuse me how people always humor trolls and their threads, but then again I highly doubt it's involuntary and more on purpose due to boredom maybe?

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Originally Posted by Archeron

But at the same time, it has to be said that the over moderation has wiped out the majority of people who would otherwise be obnoxious trolls. But is it worth it if in return we get a neutered chat system that heavily restricts our speech?

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Take the forums for example, it's the opposite of the game with minimal moderation and troll threads as far as the eye can see. I forget which generation are we in, is it titanman? skiros? or the guy who quits every update? (keep forgetting how to write his name).

Hard to tell, since they're all one and the same really. (More ironic coming from someone playing female au ra, I know)

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Originally Posted by Corrupted

It never fails to amuse me how people always humor trolls and their threads, but then again I highly doubt it's involuntary and more on purpose due to boredom maybe?



Take the forums for example, it's the opposite of the game with minimal moderation and troll threads as far as the eye can see. I forget which generation are we in, is it titanman? skiros? or the guy who quits every update? (keep forgetting how to write his name).

Hard to tell, since they're all one and the same really. (More ironic coming from someone playing female au ra, I know)

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I think a big part of why threads like these get going is people are looking for any excuse to vent their issues. They KNOW the thread is a troll, but who cares if it lets them say what they want to say? I've said it before though, a single moderator that spent 10 hours a week on these forums could wreck titanmen's alt career very quickly, and would shut down 90% of the troll threads in this forum instantly.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

As I say in many other threads, They over moderate chat, and swearing in a game with literal chat filters is enough for them to hand out account warnings and temp bans all willy nilly. But anything that requires investigation? You can bet they don't care whatsoever about that.

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Just need to point out, when you agree to the ToS, you straight up agree that you will not swear in-game. The chat filter is there so that people who do break the rules they agreed to won't potentially expose others (probably minors in particular) to the language they're using. But you still explicitly agree to the terms that say swearing is a no-go.

Also, for the record, I've been in plenty of DF dungeons where people are plenty sociable and we carry on a conversation throughout the run. Speech isn't "heavily restricted" - just don't be a jerk. It's not that hard.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Calling out somebody for underperforming - Toxic

Just remember, the toxicity only exists because people choose to underperform and drag everyone else down with them.

If you can't take feedback or advice without having a mental breakdown, MMO's most likely are not the right genre for you.

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People don't always "choose" to underperform. People newer to the game (or heck, just to a particular class) will likely not perform as well as experienced players. People with disabilities or whose mental or physical acuity has declined can still be playing their very best and yet "underperform."

Personally, I think the direct response to your last sentence is that FFXIV is exactly the proof that you are wrong - it shows a game can be very successful in the MMO genre while cracking down hard on toxicity and insisting its playerbase show basic civility to each other.

I do, however, find it very interesting the kind of people who fall on certain sides of debates like this and also where they fall with FFXIV and EW in general.

Its really a matter of perspective. Many of the changes that Yoshida decided to go with may have broadened the appeal of the game to a wider audience. So you might come across those types that mainly solo that want to try things out with others and aren't used to wall-to-wall pulls as a healer (even in low-level dungeons) etc.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

TLDR : "let me stay bad god damnit, i dont need your advice, i didnt ask for it, i want to stay bad!"

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Classic stormy YET AGAIN misrepresenting what someone is saying. Literally NOWHERE did they say "let me stay bad"...the post boils down to "stay in your lane and help when asked". That's all they're really saying.

Also for people that complain the game is to easy, why then are yall complaining about bad players. If the content is so braindead why do bad players matter?

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Classic stormy YET AGAIN misrepresenting what someone is saying. Literally NOWHERE did they say "let me stay bad"...the post boils down to "stay in your lane and help when asked". That's all they're really saying.

Also for people that complain the game is to easy, why then are yall complaining about bad players. If the content is so braindead why do bad players matter?

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because they're an eyesore, it's like watching a human landfill in front of your eyes for 15 minutes in the dungeon. and no one says a thing as the party list shows them casting cure iii over and over again

i'll keep offering unsolicited advice tyvm

you think snowflake players will ever ask on their own initiative? lmao

when people like you say "only offer advice when asked" it's = "never offer advice" because these bad players will never ask

beneath the surface though a lot of people agree with me. i actually get more comms on dps when i call out bad healers even when no one else said a word. sadly people are too afraid of offending the mentally fragile in this game.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

because they're an eyesore, it's like watching a human landfill in front of your eyes for 15 minutes in the dungeon. and no one says a thing as the party list shows them casting cure iii over and over again

i'll keep offering unsolicited advice tyvm

you think snowflake players will ever ask on their own initiative? lmao

when people like you say "only offer advice when asked" it's = "never offer advice" because these bad players will never ask

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Is the content getting cleared? Because if so your input isn't needed. Also as the "strong" person you claim to be seeing bad or underperforming players shouldnt bother you right? Calling these people landfills tells me how you probably go about adressing these people in game, and with that I'm not shocked people don't receive you well.
I've had to tell quite a few higher level whms that "Holy helps with big pull as it stuns mobs" as they weren't using it. None since my time in SB took that and got mad at me. Sure I've had a small number of them ignore but generally it's a "oh thank you", and things get better from there.

I'm a firm believer that more often than not its the approach thats the issue not solely the point out/people


Oh hold on didn't see the edit. I never once said I only give advice when asked. Hell I've said many times here before I give it when I see things going south, check my post history if you don't trust my word.

Again with the whole "snowflake" bs. Someone not wanting your input isn't a snowflake nor is someone telling you to leave em be. In my experience many don't ask for help because they've encountered asshats akin to you in the past so they dont feel comfy making that first step. Also I get comms as a dps to without even saying a word so for you to assume you get them due to callouts is funny. I guess you're saying it to further "prove" your point?
Also using the "alot of folks agree" doesn't really matter here cause I could say the same n yet you'd dismiss that. Just sayin