Bring back unskippable cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Established courtesy in society is also to not expect anything from anyone. To not assume you or anyone else is owed anything. To not make demands of people. Yet here we are. But I guess that idea is too alien to some folk /shrug

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Thats really the whole point though. If we're talking about having good manners, then logically you'd want to at least adhere to the most basic of courtesies to not become insufferable. Nobody is going to like somebody who doesnt treat them with respect. But again this argument Im making is already a lost cause over the internet where thanks to the anonymity its easier to get away with just not doing so anyway.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

So why did you mention it at all? It's a useless statement to make.
It's like saying the average alliance raid takes 12 hours of player time to beat, because it's 24 players each taking 30 minutes. But 12 hours, or the cumulative time of all players involved, isn't a useful metric by which to measure the length of a duty, in any sense.

Precisely why my first comment was "that's some creative maths".

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You’d need to understand the difference between consecutive and concurrent first. As most people have responded in a manner to suggest there’s 23 minutes consecutive. The point is, 23 people are giving up their time for 1. The value of time of the 23 is greater than that of 1. So in my opinion, those who have the greater value are within their rights to keep their time if they choose. To give that time is a generosity. To expect it, is entitlement when what you have in exchange is lesser in value

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You’d need to understand the difference between consecutive and concurrent first. As most people have responded in a manner to suggest there’s 23 minutes consecutive. The point is, 23 people are giving up their time for 1. The value of time of the 23 is greater than that of 1. So in my opinion, those who have the greater value are within their rights to keep their time if they choose. To give that time is a generosity. To expect it, is entitlement when what you have in exchange is lesser in value

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this is such a long and contrived series of verbose explanations and reasonings to tell to us that "I like to pull the boss first"

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You’d need to understand the difference between consecutive and concurrent first. As most people have responded in a manner to suggest there’s 23 minutes consecutive. The point is, 23 people are giving up their time for 1. The value of time of the 23 is greater than that of 1. So in my opinion, those who have the greater value are within their rights to keep their time if they choose. To give that time is a generosity. To expect it, is entitlement when what you have in exchange is lesser in value

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Again, this is an utterly pointless, and worthless argument to make. (and patronising... and technically a little psychopathic to be weighing up the value of individuals)
The 23 are not more valuable than the 1. And further, the 1 person out of that 23 who pulls early is not representing all of the 23.
Maybe 22 of them are happy to wait for the 1 in the cutscene. Now you have 1 person pulling early, and 23 who want to wait. Now who's time is "more valuable"?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Again, this is an utterly pointless, and worthless (and patronising... and technically a little psychopathic to be weighing up the value of individuals) argument to make.
The 23 are not more valuable than the 1. And further, the 1 person out of that 23 who pulls early is not representing all of the 23.
Maybe 22 of them are happy to wait for the 1 in the cutscene. Now you have 1 person pulling early, and 23 who want to wait. Now who's time is "more valuable"?

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We are talking time, not people. I have used time as a currency. Give it a rest

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

We are talking time, not people. I have used time as a currency. Give it a rest

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This logic of yours only works if those 23 people are of the same hivemind set of "screw the CS watcher". There's a reason why people get upset over the single individual who doesnt follow the courtesy because it goes against the majority. So ergo, your explanation ACTUALLY works against with what you're trying to argue about.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This logic of yours only works if those 23 people are of the same hivemind set of "screw the CS watcher". There's a reason why people get upset over the single individual who doesnt follow the courtesy because it goes against the majority. So ergo, your explanation ACTUALLY works against with what you're trying to argue about.

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Considering people are quick to rush in and join the fight, most don’t seem to have an issue with it. If a tank pulls, yes, I’ll run in. I’m ready. As are most everyone, including the maybe 1 or 2 people who speak up. If people speak up at all.

Generally, most don’t care either way.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Considering people are quick to rush in and join the fight, most don’t seem to have an issue with it. If a tank pulls, yes, I’ll run in. I’m ready. As are most everyone, including the maybe 1 or 2 people who speak up. If people speak up at all.

Generally, most don’t care either way.

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People start the fight because the boss already was pulled, they're not going to waste even more time wiping the raid. I seriously love these mental gymnastics you're trying to pull (lol...) here.
But the bottom line most people actually do respect the PT and that favors a lot more than the small few who dont care and just want to pull immediately.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

People start the fight because the boss already was pulled, they're not going to waste even more time wiping the raid. I seriously love these mental gymnastics you're trying to pull (lol...) here.
But the bottom line most people actually do respect the PT and that favors a lot more than the small few who dont care and just want to pull immediately.

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So it’s a waste of time not to fight it and let 1 person die than to wait for 1 person in a cutscene. Now I believe that’s a fine bit of mental gymnastics itself.

The thing here is there’s 2 beliefs and a middle ground.

1. You wait for everyone who’s watching cutscene, regardless.

2. They aren’t missing much, will run the content again. Etc etc

3. Don’t care either way

You only accept your belief as “the way”. However there are a fair amount of people who practice all 3. So it’s something you’ll have to accept and come to terms with. You play the hand you’re dealt. If people wait, ok, good for whoever benefits. If someone pulls, it’s not against the rules. No punishment will happen. However, attacking that person is against the rules, just as a cautionary. You just get what you get when you play with ransoms.

Enjoy your cutscenes =]

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Again, this is an utterly pointless, and worthless argument to make. (and patronising... and technically a little psychopathic to be weighing up the value of individuals)

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So dramatic, anyone here have a plan going into politic? You're all showing great potential!