Should Level Sync better not remove skills?

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Everything is fine either people don't queue for roulette and people looking to progress msq get stuck for hours or they do roulette and get a boring rotation and don't learn their job and at 90 they forgot they can use more than 3 skills.

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There is not going to be a massive decline in people doing the roulettes if they suddenly decided to get their tomes elsewhere, there are people who are willing to do the roulettes after all and do not care about the syncing.

As for 'learning their rotation', you shouldn't be learning in the instance. You should have already been hitting a striking dummy to learn at least your rotation basics before you go in. Getting synced down every time is not an excuse for not knowing your rotation at max level. This is a player issue, not a game issue.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

There is not going to be a massive decline in people doing the roulettes if they suddenly decided to get their tomes elsewhere, there are people who are willing to do the roulettes after all and do not care about the syncing.

As for 'learning their rotation', you shouldn't be learning in the instance. You should have already been hitting a striking dummy to learn at least your rotation basics before you go in. Getting synced down every time is not an excuse for not knowing your rotation at max level. This is a player issue, not a game issue.

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Uh...no? That's not how learning works. You don't just automatically get good when you have the knowledge and go out there and do the activity. Actually putting what you know into practice is part of that learning experience.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Uh...no? That's not how learning works. You don't just automatically get good when you have the knowledge and go out there and do the activity. Actually putting what you know into practice is part of that learning experience.

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What you have basically said is to learn the job as you go through an instance, whilst dealing with mechanics. You aren't going to learn effectively in that way. This is why you have a striking dummy. You can then focus on the rotation, learn where things go and then you can apply that knowledge in a fight where you have to then do mechanics and not have to also learn your job as you have already done that.

Why try to run before you can walk as they saying goes.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

What you have basically said is to learn the job as you go through an instance, whilst dealing with mechanics. You aren't going to learn effectively in that way. This is why you have a striking dummy. You can then focus on the rotation, learn where things go and then you can apply that knowledge in a fight where you have to then do mechanics and not have to also learn your job as you have already done that.

Why try to run before you can walk as they saying goes.

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Are you suggesting the only possible content in the game are striking dummies or instances? I learn my abilities and how they interact just from normal questing, doing FATEs, etc.. Put simply, you're not likely to get a random average player to spend time at a practice dummy. That's for people who want to absolutely optimize their rotation and maximize their dps for high-level content. For the other 95% of the playerbase, it's pointless.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Are you suggesting the only possible content in the game are striking dummies or instances? I learn my abilities and how they interact just from normal questing, doing FATEs, etc.. Put simply, you're not likely to get a random average player to spend time at a practice dummy. That's for people who want to absolutely optimize their rotation and maximize their dps for high-level content. For the other 95% of the playerbase, it's pointless.

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Nope, I suggested the best way to learn what an action does is to test it on a striking dummy, away from other things that can distract you.

Also, dummies are for more than just practicing optimal rotations, it is just that noone uses it and that things is, learning the basics of your job and what everything in your kit does. I am a firm believer that that best way to learn a job is to learn the basics first, learn what everything does and why you use it, you can than apply that knowledge when you read about openers as you already have that underlying knowledge.

This idea that striking dummies are only for the rotation optimisers has to be stopped, they are for everyone and everyone benefits from them. Even whilst levelling they can be important, learning your job as you level will make the process much easier than rushing to max and trying to learn it all at once. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the mindset of some people, which is what leads to the bad players. The game gives you the tools to learn a job's fundamentals, which should be the bare minimum, it is just that people do not want to use the tools to learn.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

If you want to help sprouts that way then you kind of have to accept your rotation syncing down. If you don't want your rotation to sync down, then maybe you just have to accept helping sprouts some other way like in the novice network and leveling some other way like fates, hunt bills, beast tribes or the highest level dungeon available.

There are other ways to get tomestones. Pvp, max level dungeons, expert roulette, first time bonuses for level 90 content, S ranks, hunt trains and maps.

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Y'all can't get the easy part uh..okay let me spell it out for you... Roulette gives those reward in such big quantities so you do them daily cause they are by far the best way to get XP and tomestone in-game, to a point other methods to farm them are slow and inefficient. The reason it is made like that is so level 90 player has a reason to do roulette daily for reward, they don't care about the sprout, they want the reward, but the system also helps sprout so that just happen at the same time. It is like when you work IRL, you don't become an employee at Mcdonald cause you want customers to be served fast food, you go there because you want to get paid. And you're the guy going around saying ''WeLl If YoU dOn'T wAnT tO sErVe CuStOmEr, bEgGiNg fOr MoNeY, iT aLsO gIvE cAsH''

Yea sure I could xp in another way... Or I could save myself a week of farm and take those free 2-4 levels a day that are almost free.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Y'all can't get the easy part uh..okay let me spell it out for you... Roulette gives those reward in such big quantities so you do them daily cause they are by far the best way to get XP and tomestone in-game, to a point other methods to farm them are slow and inefficient.

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Not true. If you kill just 10 S ranks, you get 1000 poetics and 300-800 aphorism, which is easy because they spawn all the time with the world visit system and ARR+4 expansions worth of them. An EW hunt train gives you at least 360 poetics, 240 aphorism and 120 astronomy in the time it takes to do 1 roulette. There is a reason they are popular. It's more efficient than doing expert roulette which only gives 90 astronomy.

Although some roulettes give a lot of experience, a lot of them don't, such as level 50/60/70/80, normal raids and guildhest. It's not very desirable to do some of the roulettes either, such as main scenario and alliance, because you can get trapped in something that takes longer than 20 minutes. The bonus only applies once a day as well so after that you only have the highest level dungeon left as a way to level through dungeons.

I've done fate farming in Shadowbringers and EW and made 3 levels very quickly. It must have been less than an hour in a party. But if you enjoy doing it through roulettes that is fine, but syncing is part of those roulettes.

Too much work to code down scaling when there is absolutely no benefit to the time wasted implementing it. Opens the can of worms of having to re-balance old content, and they already give old casual content a slice in the throat when it comes to HP and potencies when the next one comes out. Then you have the newbie unfriendlness when you got some level 90 jockey and everyone is still level 60. Just unnecessary.