When is PLD Getting Fixed So It Can Be a VIABLE Tank?

Ok lets try this:

If you are on the side that says PLD is broken.
Could u please type the exact rotation of the skills,
How do u start tanking? how do u proceed? what skills u use when and such.

Some PLD can show what u doing wrong.
Cause u obviously are.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Ok lets try this:

If you are on the side that says PLD is broken.
Could u please type the exact rotation of the skills,
How do u start tanking? how do u proceed? what skills u use when and such.

Some PLD can show what u doing wrong.
Cause u obviously are.

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the start of the fight should go something like this:

1. Maddening pot
2. Rampart
3. Provoke
4. Sentinel
5. Flat Blade Combo
6. Flash

Throw a Divine Veil or Hallowed Ground in there for even more enmity. It also helps to have enmity materia on your sword and belt and enmity+ everywhere it's possible.

If the BLMs nuke during all of this, it's not the PLDs (or even SE's) fault the tank doesn't have aggro, it's the BLM that nuked. If you want them to nuke form the get go, they better all pop nerve drops first.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

the start of the fight should go something like this:

1. Maddening pot
2. Rampart
3. Provoke
4. Sentinel
5. Flat Blade Combo
6. Flash

Throw a Divine Veil or Hallowed Ground in there for even more enmity. It also helps to have enmity materia on your sword and belt and enmity+ everywhere it's possible.

If the BLMs nuke during all of this, it's not the PLDs (or even SE's) fault the tank doesn't have aggro, it's the BLM that nuked. If you want them to nuke form the get go, they better all pop nerve drops first.

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I must respectfully disagree.

1. Maddening Potion
2. Provoke
3. Aegis Boon
4. Phalanx
5. Spirit's Within
6. Flash
7. Divine Veil
8. War Drum
9. Provoke
10. Fast/Flat Blade Combo

*Rampart can be placed anywhere when your melee are in range and it won't potentially interrupt a combo.

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This will allow your mages to start nuking from the get go. You still run the risk of ripping enmity off the tank, but as you said, it's up to the mages to determine whether it's safe to nuke or not. If you decide to Thundara while in the red, that's your bad, not the tanks.

One on one PLD does fine.. i.e. a Primal fight or a dungeon boss. WAR outshines PLD because of it's ability to do one on one fight's and also crowd control with AOE WS's in fights... of which PLD has no AOE WS. PLD only has AOE Flash & well... AOE Flash since War Drum's cool down is abysmal.

This game seems to be geared toward (with no end in sight) the idea of throwing as many mobs as possible at a party at once. That being said, PLD's AOE hate generating moves either have too high of a cooldown (Since your supposed to torch through content at neck-breaking speeds to get time attack rewards) or don't generate enough threat when compared to WAR's.

All I want to know is how/when they plan on leveling the playing field. They took away AOE WS's from GLA, took away Emnity modifier from Phalanx. I'm not saying both can't tank, it's just that the playing field hardly seems level at all when you compare the two in VARIOUS situations.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

One on one PLD does fine.. i.e. a Primal fight or a dungeon boss. WAR outshines PLD because of it's ability to do one on one fight's and also crowd control with AOE WS's in fights... of which PLD has no AOE WS. PLD only has AOE Flash & well... AOE Flash since War Drum's cool down is abysmal.

This game seems to be geared toward (with no end in sight) throwing many mobs at a party at once. That being said, PLD's AOE hate generating moves either have too high of a cooldown (Since your supposed to torch through content at neck-breaking speeds to get time attack rewards) or don't generate enough threat when compared to WAR's.

All I want to know is how/when they plan on leveling the playing field. They took away AOE WS's from GLA, took away Emnity modifier from Phalanx. I'm not saying both can't tank, it's just that the playing field hardly seems level at all when you compare the two in VARIOUS situations.

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So...you want two different jobs that do the exact same thing?

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

the start of the fight should go something like this:

1. Maddening pot
2. Rampart
3. Provoke
4. Sentinel
5. Flat Blade Combo
6. Flash

Throw a Divine Veil or Hallowed Ground in there for even more enmity. It also helps to have enmity materia on your sword and belt and enmity+ everywhere it's possible.

If the BLMs nuke during all of this, it's not the PLDs (or even SE's) fault the tank doesn't have aggro, it's the BLM that nuked. If you want them to nuke form the get go, they better all pop nerve drops first.

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Maddening potion better after aggro. and also no Rampart before aggro. it only works after u get hate on mob.
Otherwise it's useless.

Also Sentinel always before voke and flash cause it amplifies hate skills.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

One on one PLD does fine.. i.e. a Primal fight or a dungeon boss. WAR outshines PLD because of it's ability to do one on one fight's and also crowd control with AOE WS's in fights... of which PLD has no AOE WS. PLD only has AOE Flash & well... AOE Flash since War Drum's cool down is abysmal.

This game seems to be geared toward (with no end in sight) the idea of throwing as many mobs as possible at a party at once. That being said, PLD's AOE hate generating moves either have too high of a cooldown (Since your supposed to torch through content at neck-breaking speeds to get time attack rewards) or don't generate enough threat when compared to WAR's.

All I want to know is how/when they plan on leveling the playing field. They took away AOE WS's from GLA, took away Emnity modifier from Phalanx. I'm not saying both can't tank, it's just that the playing field hardly seems level at all when you compare the two in VARIOUS situations.

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What battle is it in which u actually need a tank and is not one on one?

Ifrit?
Coincounter?
Princcesss?
Chimera?
Garuda?
Batraal?
Slave?
Which one?

Mogs?
In mogs kiter is kitting 2 mobs (can flash or war drum)
And off tank tanks one mob.

And please stop saying that WAR generates more hate than PLD for the love of cheezuuuus!!!

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I must respectfully disagree.

1. Maddening Potion
2. Provoke
3. Aegis Boon
4. Phalanx
5. Spirit's Within
6. Flash
7. Divine Veil
8. War Drum
9. Provoke
10. Fast/Flat Blade Combo

*Rampart can be placed anywhere when your melee are in range and it won't potentially interrupt a combo.

EDIT:

This will allow your mages to start nuking from the get go. You still run the risk of ripping enmity off the tank, but as you said, it's up to the mages to determine whether it's safe to nuke or not. If you decide to Thundara while in the red, that's your bad, not the tanks.

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Right after Aegis u can pop both War Drum and the spirits within combo without the need of another block.
Also dont forget sentinel before voke and flash or even flat blade combo.

Sentinel + flash + voke + Rampart on all 8 members of pt = dead serious killer hate!!!
Like Megatron's hate for Prime... u know?

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Right after Aegis u can pop both War Drum and the spirits within combo without the need of another block.

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While the timing allows that, you may not have TP to do both since you are doing this from the very start of the fight. That's why I don't Aegis Boon before I engage the mob. I want to be sure I have at least enough or close to enough TP for Phalanx.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Also dont forget sentinel before voke and flash or even flat blade combo.

Sentinel + flash + voke + Rampart on all 8 members of pt = dead serious killer hate!!!
Like Megatron's hate for Prime... u know?

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Was there not currently an issue where Sentinel isn't affecting skills at the moment? Also, while I advocate for PLD tanking, having all 8 players in range for Rampart during a fight isn't always realistically possible.