Let's Talk About SAMURAI

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Originally Posted by NotReallyMistral

The number of people that stays within ogi's range is astounding. The sound cue for it is very distinct and it takes about 2s to cast and they can't move during that. Meanwhile, i've seen people just facetank it because they have no idea what the sam is doing and just see red when attacking until it's too late... Hey, it's just like their LB!

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You cannot move yourself if the team is smart and holds you down so the SAM can hit. And if you have an enemy WAR, you're going to be held down.

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Originally Posted by Kiao-Ken

...The Samurai is heavily indoctrinated...

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Wut??? That word doesn't mean what you think it means....

Imagine suggesting Japanese culture has been brainwashed about Samurai's, something that is a serious part of their history and culture... and then saying "no offense"

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

They have a oneshot burst combo and the strongest single target stun in the game available every 20 seconds. In what world is that a long cooldown?

Soten -> Hyosetsu -> Meikyo -> Ogi -> Soten -> Kaeshi -> Mineuchi -> Midare -> Soten -> 56-61k damage (full single-target) with a 4 GCD burst combo

The only counterplay to that combo is Purify and/or Guard, which can counter pretty much any non-LB combo in the game, or wasting a silence, certain LBs or the WHM poly just to stop the SAM from doing a combo that they can just repeat 20 seconds later. There's also numerous ways to change the above combo for quicker burst if you just need to assist in a kill, which obviously happens more frequently.

A SAM literally has a 2 second AoE bind, a 3 second stun and 3 seconds of almost complete cc-immunity and people talk about how hard it is to get 1.3 second casts off lol. Wild.

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two word... team play. if your team let the samurai alone for do his combo... and more important 1vs1 you do something wrong! sam is at the strongest when facing one target... it's not hard to stun him or root him simply gank him! and 4 gcd... you means a bout 10 sec... when yes you have a stun of 3 sec... guard? recuperate?

a 20 sec combo that can be easily counter by simply cast 1-2 recuperate or use your guard is not a bad trade off... because it means the sam is without big gun for 20 sec... a free kill. no more meikyo for flee... no more stun... and if your team come help... it's over.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

You cannot move yourself if the team is smart and holds you down so the SAM can hit. And if you have an enemy WAR, you're going to be held down.

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well you can say this about any good dps around... if the team hold you the mnk can drop you fast, same for the nin, or the drg... it's about teamplay.

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Originally Posted by Kiao-Ken

As for this “tactic”, hard focus the SAM opponent. You should prioritize killing the SAM first before any of the four healers that you may or may not encounter; I’ve been doing such so while notifying my intent to the other four friendlies and have won more matches this way than instead of focusing their healer rather than their SAM. This "tactic" unfortunately will make that player (SAM) have an absolute bad time for such instance. The moment that SAM returns from spawn, they should immediately be killed within 3-5 seconds after they return from spawn. I do feel bad for that player but, this is a must at the moment to ensure a more possible win. I'm not asking for SAM to be gutted into oblivion; SAM is way too overpowered to be left in its current state; Not even Reaper pales in comparison; Ninja and Dragoon are extremely good, almost on par with Reaper and then there’s... Monk.

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yes the sam will have a bad day, but at the same it means the job do it job well... but if the sam is smart he will not jump in middle of the enemy without a plan either... tactics and such...

why dragoon and ninja are good and can easily flee of the combat if play well... that why focus them is not always the smartest... especially since ninja can pop out of nowhere with his shukuchi hard to counter this. if the nin is good he can drop and assist a dragoon and it result and a kill at each time... high jump + shukuchi and in a few second the target is dead... if it try to flee fuma shuriken... the best solution is to guard and hope for help.

the reaper dunno didn't try it and mnk... *sighs* where in the... how is possible to think that a 7 hit combo at 2 sec gcd in a fast paced pvp mode it's a good idea!! i means you need to attack for 12 sec for reach a 10k damage... and the dmg of the lb is bad... it will have been better to be at 30k it's a mono target lb for god sake.

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Originally Posted by Tribezer0

Wut??? That word doesn't mean what you think it means....

Imagine suggesting Japanese culture has been brainwashed about Samurai's, something that is a serious part of their history and culture... and then saying "no offense"

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(indoctrinated might be the wrong choice of word, no ill intended but such a word has weight/impact)

Literally at the very top, first post, 2nd sentence. Also, I never wrote "no offense". Quit making up stuff. Assuming the type of person you are, based on your post, I'll go ahead and save you from stating this lie (you edited it out); no, I didn't went back to the first post and edited out. You can check the first post when it was last edited.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

two word... team play. if your team let the samurai alone for do his combo... and more important 1vs1 you do something wrong! sam is at the strongest when facing one target... it's not hard to stun him or root him simply gank him! and 4 gcd... you means a bout 10 sec... when yes you have a stun of 3 sec... guard? recuperate?

a 20 sec combo that can be easily counter by simply cast 1-2 recuperate or use your guard is not a bad trade off... because it means the sam is without big gun for 20 sec... a free kill. no more meikyo for flee... no more stun... and if your team come help... it's over.

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Yes, team-play. Which means the SAM usually won't be attacking alone unless they catch someone in a 1v1 scenario which doesn't happen a lot, which is why I said that they have numerous ways to adjust the combo for faster burst. Meikyo & Soten -> Mineuchi -> Midare -> Soten does between 25 and 30k damage within 2.5~ seconds and is super easy to pull off, just to name one example.
A 4 GCD combo on SAM also takes 6.6 seconds, not 10. And obviously the full combo can be countered, as I said, otherwise it would be ridiculously broken - that wasn't the point of my post though.
It's also a complete exaggeration to say that SAMs are a free kill once they charge in, when they can get 16k worth of shields from Ogi and Kaeshi, a huge heal when Oka is used correctly, as well as a 50% damage reduction for 5 whole seconds with Chiten.

SAM need to be addressed ASAP is just ridiculous how a single class can turn tables with 1 button, it should be treated as a bug and fixed next minor patch.

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Originally Posted by Kiao-Ken

(indoctrinated might be the wrong choice of word, no ill intended but such a word has weight/impact)

Literally at the very top, first post, 2nd sentence. Also, I never wrote "no offense". Quit making up stuff. Assuming the type of person you are, based on your post, I'll go ahead and save you from stating this lie (you edited it out); no, I didn't went back to the first post and edited out. You can check the first post when it was last edited.

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Do you frequently use offensive words that have the entirely wrong meaning just because they "have impact" as you say? I guess that excuses you from offending the entire Javanese culture over a video game...

Edit: Also for someone using entirely wrong definitions of words you are quite picking about me using "no offense" in place of "no ill intended"...

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Originally Posted by Tribezer0

Do you frequently use offensive words that have the entirely wrong meaning just because they "have impact" as you say? I guess that excuses you from offending the entire Javanese culture over a video game...

Edit: Also for someone using entirely wrong definitions of words you are quite picking about me using "no offense" in place of "no ill intended"...

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"Offensive"? So, you're offended on behalf of the Japanese culture. Thanks for letting me know, I guess such a usage of word did have weight/impact huh?

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Originally Posted by Kiao-Ken

You're offended on behalf of the Japanese culture. Thanks for letting me know, to which, I didn't ask, nor do I care about what you think or how you feel. I guess such a usage of word did have weight/impact huh?

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You mean the wrong usage of the word? Unless you mind explaining how Japanese culture brainwashed themselves about their own culture... not to mention you suggested such an astounding thing because you're mad a Japanese based company didnt balance a video game to your liking.... nothing like subtle racism to get your point across...

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Originally Posted by Tribezer0

You mean the wrong usage of the word? Unless you mind explaining how Japanese culture brainwashed themselves about their own culture... not to mention you suggested such an astounding thing because you're mad a Japanese based company didnt balance a video game to your liking.... nothing like subtle racism to get your point across...

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Damn, look at you. Out here attempting to make a difference with your virtue signaling. I bet you also rant about the little things that you find so offensive and take it to the extreme on twitter *iT's RaCiSM, REEEEEEEEE*. Listen little boy, I will not change the usage of word, nor will I cater to your mentality.