Job action combos one button

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I've been burned by people caring about the meta, and really really don't care for it myself, but this meme just kind of generalizes and mischaracterizes.

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We agree, then. The meme is a caricature, as they always are, you're not supposed to take them personnaly.

Of course, in PUG, composition matters, and of course you may need to swap if some players in your static underperform, what I mean, and what I used this meme for, is just mocking players that want everyone to follow the meta blindly and forget the fun people can choose to have. I respect hardcore players that do the world first race or whatever, but "hardcore players" that take 3 weeks to clear P4S with a perfect meta-compliant composition are just posers.

I don't care about those people, but let's be honest : if I can trigger them, I will, because I'm just bored of them trying so hard to prove they're better than others when they're just meta slaves with nothing to back them.

This only makes sense in pvp. Since they cut button bloat every expansion the need for one button combos in pve are unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

I respect hardcore players that do the world first race or whatever, but "hardcore players" that take 3 weeks to clear P4S with a perfect meta-compliant composition are just posers.

I don't care about those people, but let's be honest : if I can trigger them, I will, because I'm just bored of them trying so hard to prove they're better than others when they're just meta slaves with nothing to back them.

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Lmao fair enough; I know a 'week 1 clear' group that is either still on P3S or just started P4S this week, some 3 months after the tier launched. The arrogance of some groups is honestly baffling, but watching and interacting with them in limited doses can get pretty amusing sometimes.

At this point, just ask for auto play.
I mean, I know many players would love to Gpose auto play with their favorite trusts, it's just a matter of time before Yoshi P adds it to the game.

1-2-3 IS harder to do than 1-1-1.... of course only to a very very small degree. so small most people dont feel the difference.... but there is a difference. you need more movements with your hand, you need to think (even if its unconsciously) a little little bit more.

they streamlined many things over the years and while each of them make sense to streamline, if you look at the bigger picture it just makes it overall more boring. there abit of thinking less, and there a decision less and there two buttons less.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

But, fine, let us assume that the claim (1-2-3 being inherently more fun than 1-1-1 even when they have the same number of separable actions) carries an implied parameter -- that this only works "if forced (to 1-2-3, rather than 1-1-1)." We'll adjust the analogy:

You have Glare I, Glare II, and Glare III. Glare I does 290. Glare II does 310 if comboed -- otherwise, 100. Glare III does 330 if comboed -- otherwise, 100. The combo cannot be broken by actions, thereby retaining the old functionality, and over time they amount to the exact same ppgcd as before. They also have the same animation, since "it doesn't matter if it's the same skill repeated."

Is that "inherently more fun" button-flow of now being obliged to go 1-2-3 worth the added button cost? Would you give up 2 existing actions, and therein kit control, for those extra two buttons to be spent on what still amounts to a single, inseparable decision?

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Yes.
As I mentioned, it's not the actions ingame, it's the actions IRL.

Multiple actions comboing off a single button makes it feel more like a smartphone game where it's just tap to win, or some other rudimentary simplistic system. It's not fun, nor is it engaging to play.
You could be doing sick flips and attacks and spark fire from the heavens, but if you're just pressing a single button to make it all happen, why not just go play one of those dime-a-dozen anime gacha games instead?

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

Glad to hear. If that is real, and we'll never know if it is.

You're still a tryhard that thinks having more buttons = being harder to play, and that's self-explanatory about what you know about quality class design.

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Just, a couple of factors I want to mention. The first, being regardless of difficulty stance, it is at minimum more engaging than the exact same single key press. BRD is so painfully boring to me, and I constantly just go so in habit of 1 that I miss my procs because of it. Yet, on DNC where it's literally LITERALLY just 2, I have no issue at all. It's strange how just a single extra key press fixes an entire problem for me.

And, as a second note, if you state there's absolutely no difference between different presses and same presses, then what's the problem? Shouldn't have any issues with the system as is, no? So then, why argue for something that doesn't actually change anything, no? Unless it does.

I always wonder if the people asking for the single button, or dumbed down combos are the same people hunting and clicking with their mouse, or just leaving the default hotbar or both. I mean we're paying monthly for this and yet people don't want to invest a bit more in some of the many peripherals that would likely take their gameplay to the next level, or at least make the combos easier for them to execute. For an MMO of this type it's actually very simple, and lends itself very well to controller I'm told (I play M&KB). Invest in the tools that work for you, take time building a functional, efficient hotbar, and reap the rewards. Admittedly this game does a poor job with tutorials and doesn't really do much hand holding, however the level of customization is staggering and the information on how to do it is more so. Like Canadane said above, there's tons of free gacha games out there with that simple play style that some desire (and some of em look pretty good). XIV isn't for everyone and that's ok, and it's why there is choice.

ppl are way overexagerrating
as a controller player, I've always been a proponent of this
one button combo would be nice to free up more real estate on the primary hotbar so it would be "easier" to reach oGCDs that currently have to live on HOLD L1 + R2 or HOLD R2 + L1 bars by necessity because of space limitations.

It would still be necessary to weave oGCDs in between each press, no one is asking for one button to keep doing all your abilities... but one button combo would let me place more oGCDs closer together on the face buttons so it could be easier to weave them.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

And, as a second note, if you state there's absolutely no difference between different presses and same presses, then what's the problem? Shouldn't have any issues with the system as is, no? So then, why argue for something that doesn't actually change anything, no? Unless it does.

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Never said it's the same, tho, I said it doesn't make the classes less interesting or less complex to play, but do make it easier on the hands.

I could go all the way to make an "you're an ableist" argument about people with arthrosis or whatever, but I don't want to even go there, just... why are you all so masochistic that you actually want to make your life harder for the exact same result ? Don't pretend 1-2-3 combos are fun, so 1-1-1 combos surely won't be much less fun. The fun is in other parts of the gameplay, and again, the fact you can't see that says a lot about you.

Precisely, it says you're all jerking at your own reflection for being able to do 1-2-3, deny the actual button bloating on some classes, ask people to buy more complex controllers with more easily accessible buttons, while they might just not have the money for it, and so on. For the sake of the "fun" of something that's been a bore for 8 years. I just don't understand y'all, tbh, it's not even about tryhards anymore, you're just... weird.

Touch some grass, really.