They're good but they are just there any other healer kit could have them instead of Sch and we woudnt even notice because they are completely external of the core systems of the job, systems that due to the design are already flawed in a job that since Shb was calling for a reworkQuote:
Originally Posted by Connor
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12-27-2021, 11:05 PMWaxSw
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12-27-2021, 11:33 PMConnorThat is a fair point. They would be more engaging to use if they had some meaningful interaction with some part of the jobs mechanics. Like if Expedient proc’d a fairy skill on use ( return Fey Wind plz se ), or Protraction could have reduced the amount of HP healed by Adloquium/Succor on the target but increased the shield effect (thus causing it to become protracted lol). Or increased the duration of an existing barrier, though that’d be a pain in the ass to use if the shield kept breaking before you could hit the skill lolQuote:
Originally Posted by WaxSw
I mean, maybe it’s a bit harsh to say but it seems to me that the overwhelming theme of Endwalker job abilities seems to be…lazy design? It feels like the new stuff I’ve gotten for everyone is like, ‘it’s cool, but it’s not very exciting’. Or at least they’re playing it way too safe to keep things ‘balanced’. Balance is great but so is having fun -
12-28-2021, 02:22 AMAnhraIt is not that it is a bad skill per se, but Squeenix handled out ALOT of damage mitigation tools already. Tanks have 5-6 of those (i cant die button not included btw), and literally EVERY Job has at least one or two Skills that do so as well. The only reason why they did so for Healers, is that they were the only Role who didnt had any outside of Shielding abilities.Quote:
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12-28-2021, 03:13 AMty_taurusWell there are a few things for me on Expedient. First of all, damage reduction and sprint are two forms of utility that don't really compliment one another very well. The idea of granting your party a sprint is to give them more room for error to adjust to challenging mechanics, theoretically, meaning they will hopefully avoid those mechanics and not take any damage, thus rendering the damage reduction moot. It does almost nothing in response to unavoidable damage unless we're talking about a spread mechanic, but spread mechanics are by far one of the easiest to recognize and handle appropriately.Quote:
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On the flip side, if you are taking damage where the mitigation kicks in, then the added sprint was likely either useless, or not taken advantage of by the person getting hit.
What would make more sense is if it was a regen or flat heal attached to the sprint--something that could help an injured party recover while also giving them added mobility and thus more room for error during an upcoming mechanic.
Lastly, this is just an aesthetics thing, but why is the Scholar using an ability with spell effects that are linked to faerie? That emerald-colored wind effect and the butterflies are very much a Selene/Eos thing and not a Scholar thing, and while that's not really important for gameplay, it continues to muddle what visual identity the Scholar is supposed to have. This is likely because it may have started as a faerie action and then they decided to move it to the Scholar prior to the media tour build because they wanted a raid-wide sprint to be more responsive, I suppose, but it's still quite odd. -
12-28-2021, 03:43 AMrewdYou would nerf Protraction to make it do the thing it already does?Quote:
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12-28-2021, 05:01 AMAFuzzyMu11in
Expedient is amazing. Probably best skill of expansion you guys are wild. Scholar is fine its in a perfect place, you can weave without losing dps, requiring planning set up, AND now fairy is more responsive. I'm happy with scholar rotation being broil ED. Many EW players even raiders like me like simplicity it lets us focus more on learning the fights and having fun in general. We want to experience and clear savage stuff not try to master some unique rotation for uptime.
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12-28-2021, 05:06 AMConnorIt’s just an example of the point being made not a literal suggestion lolQuote:
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12-28-2021, 05:33 AMrewdThe [wrong] point being made is that it doesn't interact with the rest of your kit or it doesn't interact in a meaningful way. You said that it would be more engaging if it could increase the shield, which is what the skill already does. So, is there a hidden point?Quote:
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12-28-2021, 05:39 AMEaMett
After having fooled around with the healers a bit more (still haven't gotten my AST leveled). SCH feels fine. It does its thing well and is efficient at it. Thing is. It's boring like all hell to play now. No brain required. Which is a far cry from what people initially gravitated towards the job for, a couple of expansions back. You basically use fairy skills in your GCD (no need to worry about what skills to doubleweave, etc), and wait for your cohealer to be out of ogcds to use your stacks. Infinite mana. Big enough heals to get you out of a tight spot. Honestly, can't make it simpler than that. As such SCH is pretty much the beginner shield healer and I expect many a veteran will move on from the role erelong.
The one thing that really sucks this expansion on SCH is the awful mobility in high-end play. Since now you desperately want to avoid ruin II
With that said, if I had to put my money on a job that needed a rework early in before the expansion. I would have said SCH. Now I feel more like WHM needs the love, definitely the worse healer by a margin. -
12-28-2021, 05:44 AMWaxSwYou claim its a wrong yet all the arguments you have is "but it buffs the healing" without realizing that, first its a kind of interaction literally every healer has, and second is so out of touch with the kit you could literally copy paste the skill on any other healer toolkit and not only you woundnt need to adapt the way it works/cd etc but also no one would ever notice it was a Sch skill first, in fact is so out of touch it was first a War skill (thrill of battle) that just got slapped into a healer.Quote:
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