Unpopular (probably) opinion about the Nier raids...

I do love the story on Copied Factory and Bunker, but after you reached Tower, I was like... H U H ? !

It's so anticlimactic and the weekly Dwarves quests are the worst IMO. The ending also is... disappointing.

I need more stories like Void Ark... This collaboration's good stuff only 2B panties and the Nier music (The medley is my favourite), that's it.

I love the glamour, the unisex 2b heels, the music, but the story ... the world building ... it was bad, just bad.
It made zero sense no matter how you put it considering the lore and worldbuilding that has come to light in Shadowbringers.
Honestly gave me that disassociating feeling.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

You have a lot of good casual content to do. Why would you want bad casual content like the Nier raids added? Better use that time to either add good casual content or good hardcore content of which there's a lack of.

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Well if you had read the rest of my post, you'd have known that, again in my circles (fc, friends, etc.) the first two Nier Raids weren't seen as 'bad content' so how should peopel have know that they wouldn't like the third one as much.

Also, while it is not for me, I know some people liek hard content. But looking at some of the data for TEA (https://twitter.com/Bwin4L/status/14...634236417?s=20), it paints a pretty clear picture how much of the palyerbase would prefer having an extra ultimate over having a thrid 24 man to catch people's gear up via drops and upgrade coins.
And my personal preferences aside, the developer going with fullfilling the wants of the most amoutn of players, as well as potential contract obligations due to being a crossover, irregardless of if it turned out good or not, the Ultimate fight was most liekely always higher on the list of thigns to cut becasue complications than the expansions thrid 24 man raid.

I think mechanically it was one of the best 24 Raids. But the Story was just so disconnected from the world and so meaningless to the world and so unsatisfying in the long run that I'm happy we get a original Story in Endwalker

I've never played a Neir game, so this was my first taste of it, sadly the aesthetic/story just never clicked with me and so has put me off from buying the game in the future, so really only ran them like 6 times before never touching them again. This would have been better as a Trial IMO like the MH one. I would much more have enjoyed a raid in the ruins of Ronka, something that had a connection with the First other than a space station crashing behind a hill.

From a gameplay perspective, I liked the Nier raids well enough. Some fun mechanics, though far too much repetition. Several bosses also just felt... long.

Story wise though. Oh boy... This may be the single worst "storyline" they've ever told. It barely even exists; held together by strings at best. It honestly felt like a massive advertisement for another game just how out of place everything was. While I was initially intrigued when Copied Factory released, I eventually started skimming through everything, later outright skipping cut scenes out of sheer boredom. It's just terribly written and amounts to absolutely nothing. Ironically, it made me less interested in ever touching Nier despite hearing how good it supposedly is.

The raids have also made me not want to look into the NieR games at all, where I previously might have. We're not given a reason to care about most of the characters, and if the ending is an example of how they do "deep and meaningful" then I am definitely out.

Either Anogg really came back, spontaneously and without explanation, which is too out-of-nowhere and renders her initial sacrifice as pointless drama. Also her reappearance doesn't feel "earned" in any way.

And if, as many have suggested, Konogg is dying (apparently by choice) because he can't live without her then that's miserable. It's not something deep or significant or movingly sad, just an unenjoyable ending.

It also really didn't help having both dwarves start out in sneaky "we're plotting world domination and are blatantly calling you the clueless shmuck who'll help us get there" mode before pivoting into the reckless-vs-cautious contrast. That initial behaviour totally soured them for me, and went nowhere besides.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

from the outside, its hard to say if he pulled the plug or if thats all that was contracted. Collaborations and cross overs would have contracts so one party doesnt keep taking and using. the designers of the raids were the same ones that did Nier. so once they were done, zero contractual obligation to carry on. Its business

Just because SE owns both, doesnt mean its an endless partnership. thats -always- going to be a base issue with collaborations/cross overs

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I didn't think it'd go on indefinitely of course, I meant they were building up to something at the end of the weekly quests with how Glagg (I think it was Glagg, I can't remember) was acting all strangely during each one and then suddenly that was forgotten.

Nier raid is a wasted opportunity. SE basically gives up its own section of lore-friendly story-writing to advertise another series and they didn't even bother try to fit it in the world of FF14.



Music, graphic and raid-design wise, I think Nier raid does it right. This comes from a player who never play any series of Yoko Taro before. Story-wise, it is a cluster mess between the dwarf and the Nier character. Nothing feel connected between the dwarf's witch hunt problem and Nier threat on The First. Like, you have a bunch of weird machine flew out and attacked a village very loudly, but no one else in the First cares? Not even the neigboring dwarves come to check out what is so noisy about their competitors. To make it worse, everything Nier-related just suddenly came and went as they please. The ending is weekly gated for no reason, as if the raid tries to employ WoW's tactic to drive more players' sub time, and is a freaking disappointment.


I know it is very rude of me to tell this, and I know how Yoko Taro is well-known for being an eccentric writer, but please, SE should never let his games touch FF14 again in any form or shape. His games' cameo perhaps would be more enjoyable if it is seasonal event like FF15 collab. Not a full-blown 24-man raid that last for several content patches which offer zero thing to FF14's lore and waste a good opportunity for FF14 to expand its lore further, whether it is on the First or the Source.


I love FF14 and I don't hate Yoko Taro or his games even after the mess he involved in with Nier raid. This raid is really an unnecessary advertising since Nier series is already strong on its own.

Honestly, it's an incredibly lukewarm take. Not a lot of people liked the story, which, fair enough! I definitely thought it was lacking at points, though I had my expectations tempered due to being familiar with Yoko Taro's kind of writing (which is not always easy to digest/understand and definitely lacks complete explanations). Being a fan of NieR in general, I still enjoyed it overall, but I can see why people didn't like it. For myself personally, as someone who only played FFXII once and never beat FFT, the Ivalice raids absolutely bored me to tears. So I get it.

Still, at the very least, the NieR raids themselves were the best 24 mans in the game for me.