"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

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Originally Posted by Omedon

1) A bored healer is a good tank's greatest compliment. My giving you as "free" a ride as possible is a gift I strive to give, in thanks for playing the most stressful role and moving the queue along!

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I think this guy is trolling us.

If you're not, you're being very mean to your healers by giving them nothing to do. You're confusing "lack of mistakes" with "lack of activity." Not standing in the fire? Maybe good for your healer. Not dropping below 90% HP? Horribly boring.

Stick to the bots or play games that are tuned for one pull at a time.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

I could never imagine why anybody would not want to feel the sheer euphoria of clearing the massive pulls in Mt Gulg.

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When you have a tank who can't handle them or dps who can't burn them down, you feel the "sheer euphoria" of the entire party dying instead of clearing.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

When you have a tank who can't handle them or dps who can't burn them down, you feel the "sheer euphoria" of the entire party dying instead of clearing.

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Dying isn't the end of the world, it honestly makes the feeling of clearing it even stronger. Never be afraid to wipe!

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Originally Posted by weebtext

Dying isn't the end of the world, it honestly makes the feeling of clearing it even stronger. Never be afraid to wipe!

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I'm never afraid to wipe, but when a tank does the same big pull three times and wipes everyone, the party can't progress and the dungeon comes to a halt. That's when the ability to reassess and adjust comes into play. But tanks are resistant to do that because they've been conditioned that they always have to pull the maximum size and can't ever pull anything less. Those types of extremes in thinking just don't work in PUG situations.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

Dying isn't the end of the world, it honestly makes the feeling of clearing it even stronger. Never be afraid to wipe!

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A thousand times this! Death means next to nothing in this game. Especially in dungeons. Pretty much any time I wipe on a pull, my immediate instinct is to do the exact same pull again. Some of the enemies may have died, all of our abilities are now off cooldown, whatever special thing was there is now likely known.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I'm never afraid to wipe, but when a tank does the same big pull three times and wipes everyone, the party can't progress and the dungeon comes to a halt. That's when the ability to reassess and adjust comes into play. But tanks are resistant to do that because they've been conditioned that they always have to pull the maximum size and can't ever pull anything less. Those types of extremes in thinking just don't work in PUG situations.

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I've seen the massive first pull to the boss in Mt Gulg be done in a PUG situation where the tank was lv 79 while the rest of us were 80. We wiped three times but we still did it, because that absolute unit of a tank kept going and never gave up on that pull. We all believed in that pull, we all achieved that pull and let me tell you it felt absolutely amazing.

Try to have some faith in your parties instead of worrying so much about the dungeon halting, live a little!

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Originally Posted by weebtext

I've seen the massive first pull to the boss in Mt Gulg be done in a PUG situation where the tank was lv 79 while the rest of us were 80. We wiped three times but we still did it, because that absolute unit of a tank kept going and never gave up on that pull. We all believed in that pull, we all achieved that pull and let me tell you it felt absolutely amazing.

Try to have some faith in your parties instead of worrying so much about the dungeon halting, live a little!

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Big pulls that make you wipe three times is just as bad as single pull runs. The idea of big pulls is to make the run go faster if the party wipes to a pull like that then it's time to reassess otherwise it's just a waste of time. 3 wipes just sounds painful. It's not about living a little its about respecting what everyone wants in the party.

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

Big pulls that make you wipe three times is just as bad as single pull runs. The idea of big pulls is to make the run go faster if the party wipes to a pull like that then it's time to reassess otherwise it's just a waste of time. 3 wipes just sounds painful. It's not about living a little its about respecting what everyone wants in the party.

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Sounds like what everyone wanted in that party was for that tank to succeed at that pull.

if the rest of the party wasn't okay with attempting another big pull, they probably would've said something ;)

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

Big pulls that make you wipe three times is just as bad as single pull runs. The idea of big pulls is to make the run go faster if the party wipes to a pull like that then it's time to reassess otherwise it's just a waste of time. 3 wipes just sounds painful. It's not about living a little its about respecting what everyone wants in the party.

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"The idea of big pulls" is to have fun. Consequently they are also faster than single pulls.
Nothing more fun than overcoming something in real time with other people.