yoshi what are you doing to steel cyclone ):?

We all know pally isn't DD but the dmg pally does is laughable. Full combo vs a boss like 290 dmg total, add to the fact that your second ws does like 40-60 dmg and then gives a bonus of 4.5 which is almost less then a provoke most of the time. PLD should be doing half the dmg an DD does.

PLD needs a dmg boost but not a big one, it also needs to take less dmg than war on normal hits something like 30% less dmg. War should take 900 dmg on normal attack on coin counter and pld should take 600 dmg.

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

I'm welcoming the changes. Not because it's a WAR nerf, but because it's a balance. I am assuming SC's additional damage from Rampage would be reduced, but on the other hand they are buffing berserk and Whirlwind damage. I generally go as DPS WAR on Garuda and let me tell you, already damage is great with the way berserk is currently. I'm looking forward to the changes come 1.22b.

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Yay a sensible WAR

I too love DPS on war with beserk and positioning its alot of fun :)

Bring on the new changes

Its going to be funny as hell once war can't tank effectively anymore and you need to sit 5 hours shouting for a pld for ifrit, moogle, garuda.

These thread are really funny.
I love all the "A well equipped something can do the same as a WAR"
We should create a "Big damage" guide:
- DRG section : Gather all the best stuff you can. Use all your offensive buffs (The ones on LNC, and the ones from others classes). Position yourself from the flank. Unleash your most powerful combo.
- WAR section : Use your WS
And you still don't understand why WAR is being nerfed...

And if you're afraid of waiting hours for PLD, you can always level up you GLA. Curious, i think that's what everyone suggested regarding MRD when PLDs complained about waiting hours for an invite.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Its going to be funny as hell once war can't tank effectively anymore and you need to sit 5 hours shouting for a pld for ifrit, moogle, garuda.

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I seriously doubt that will be the case. In my LS alone we've got 4 Paladins with a couple others leveling it currently for the future. These aren't just people who have the job, these are people who would be willing to play it if it were as viable as Warrior.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

Not the only one, I tend to use fracture and overpower as well when I parry.

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I use it as well but not that often due to the overwhelmingly long animation lock, fracture and overpower I use as well since you can use both on one parry if you are quick enough

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Originally Posted by Sasagawa

Darkillumina

I have to disagree as the developers said WAR at the min can DD, Hold Emnity, and Tank effectively and also through the crazy critical hits from SC and Rampage it can also heal effectively. With the right gear WARs can do close to 20k damage in a boss fight compared to 4-8k PLDs can do (I know some may be able to push that). All in all even if the PLD does 10k damage in a fight against say misers mistress you can bet the WAR while tanking more effectively through taking less damage due to parry and rampage heals (which are slightly op at the min) will be doing 15k damage. THis is all speculation based on values I hear shouted to me from parsers. fact is WAR does around 5-10k more damage than any PLD while being a btter tank. That my friend is OP and is getting nerfed for good reason tanking ability should go

PLD>WAR>MNK=DRG

DD ability should go MNK=DRG>WAR>>>>>>>>>>>PLD

Right now PLD struggles to compare in shear tanking ability !. now im not saying PLD should be the only tank but I am holding a big shield and I should TAKE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DAMAGE and in return for holding a heavy shield that protects me I do significantly less damage as well.

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this is a bit misleading as in 1 the only time a WAR is gonna out DD a MNK or DRG is if the MNK or DRG suck balls or 2 if the WAR is tanking (meaning it doesn't have to move away from things to avoid damage thus allowing it to continuously DPS without interruption if the MNK and DRG also doesnt have to move then they should out DPS WAR without issues). And really you shouldn't compare PLD DPS to a WAR when it is already established and a well known fact that WAR is supposed to out DPS a PLD.

still not a fan of nerfing one class to fix another. War is awesome at close range combat, SE should think about why and apply that to dragoon. Im hoping that collusion still has at least 75% hate transfer and steel cyclones cooldown use goes to 40 seconds to be even with aura pulse.(if they stated the exact fix yet i haven't seen it)

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this is a bit misleading as in 1 the only time a WAR is gonna out DD a MNK or DRG is if the MNK or DRG suck balls or 2 if the WAR is tanking (meaning it doesn't have to move away from things to avoid damage thus allowing it to continuously DPS without interruption if the MNK and DRG also doesnt have to move then they should out DPS WAR without issues). And really you shouldn't compare PLD DPS to a WAR when it is already established and a well known fact that WAR is supposed to out DPS a PLD.

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Isnt that what i said

MNK=DRG approximately in damage they are both greater than WAR who is much greater than PLD ?

also im pretty confident this symbol > means greater than