The game should have alcohol

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Not sure what the moral panic is for when alcohol and alcohol-related paraphernalia is already in the game right now. Plus, alcohol is already mentioned on the ESRB rating for the game so it shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

That said, I'm also not sure what a "drunk" effect or a specifically designated bar will accomplish that wax paper taped to your monitor and an RP bar can't replicate. I'd rather the adventurer guilds not be filled with dozens of people being dumb in shout chat any more than the cities have already.

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I think there's just a certain group of people in any setting who get off on pearl clutching.

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That's an interesting topic, so, let's see... I personally am someone that doesn't drink alcohol anymore but on the past used to do it every weekend when hanging out with friends, but now i don't feel like doing it anymore nor do in enjoy it that much, so, how much do I care if others do? Not much really.

It is true that drunk people overall have a deplorable behavior, but this is something more subjected to each person level of responsibility when doing it and self-control than the alcohol itself being a problem, so, in this case, i don't perceive the alcohol as the main reason of a problem that we may have, so trying to ban the use of alcohol is a bit like pretending to ban certain violent videogames alleygating that it makes some people more violent, and that's just a fallacy.

And although i think Final Fantasy games overall are a bit more PEGI friendly than other games i don't see the use of wine as a mechanism to trigger drunk effects for example as something too much out of place on a game where death, war and mutilation exist.

If people enjoy such things from a roleplay perspective I'll say just let them be as long as they do not interfere on the playable experience of others.

Even so, should we have some awareness about displaying the use of alcohol as something positive and fun that people do to enjoy themselves as if it had nothing bad attached to it? Well, maybe a bit, but this is far from being something as harmful for ourselves as other things equally accepted are, like smoking.

In conclusion, I think is way more important to inculcate a responsible mentality about the use of certain things rather than just pretending they do not exist in real life, so maybe some indirect warning to make people understand that you shouldn't drink too much may be enough.

Or at least this is what i think.

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

I have news for you kiddo. Everything you eat, drink and breathe is bad for you. Tap water is full of metals, hormones, herbicides and chloramines. Fruit is covered in pesticides, fish is full of mercury, most packaged food/drink has BPA in it, most rice contains arsenic, everything has too much sugar in it and over time, your body accumulates so many toxins and heavy metals from just breathing and living in urban environments that most human carcasses would be refused entry to a landfill site on the grounds they're toxic waste.

Oh, and if you're lucky enough to be American, your food includes so much mould, insects and excrement, the US government literally mandates how much exactly is allowed before action needs to be taken.

In short, alcohol in moderation isn't really going to do much harm to anyone in the long run. If it makes you feel any better, Earth is due for its own Calamity in the next few years so I really wouldn't worry about minor vices now.

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Environmental factors impacting your health negatively don't nullify the damage alcohol can do, things only add up. To me your post sounds like this: "I am already getting sick from so many things, why not get sicker in the one way I enjoy doing"

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Originally Posted by Awha

Here is the thing couldn't we say that excess sugar and animal product consumption also leads to increased all cause mortality compared to those that do not consume such things. Being born into a poor family has an increased all cause mortality and also leads to an increase dependency on governments aid which is in fact paid for through tax dollars.

Should we bar low income families from having children cause statistically they have poor outcomes in terms of health, mortality and economically.

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No, we shouldn't. People can drink all they want. Just don't think that alcohol in moderation is not harmful. That's a lie. It will only lead to regrets. Embrace the fact that X type of lifestyle will most likely lead to you having Y type of health. Don't be like "ahh, w/e, everything is fine" until it is not fine and it's too late to make things the way you really want them to be.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.

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Cheers :)

These things would be small details, those things that like.. one person may be halted and it just strikes them a way that they remember for whatever reason and for another it's massively forgettable lol. I may have a general enamoration with small details coming of the larger ones like a fractal.. DEEPER, dream with a dre-- XD. But I wouldn't expect it would be important to everyone. I do think when the gameplay itself is very good, that then having a minor sense of fractaling (small detail appreciation) design makes a game go easier from "amazing gameplay" to a sort of lost sense of self a deep time altering immersion. (Naturally if you had to choose one you'd pick amazing gameplay first, but one, I think, would take both if they could lol).

Sometimes though I comment not for now, but the thought maybe they'll consider such concepts in the future, MMO in 2077 or whatever ;)

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

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There was a particular line in my post making a distinction to junk food. If the take away was "food is a requirement" then you missed the point. Food, of some sort yes, Cake? No. You don't need cake. You don't need beer. You might say but if you were calorie deficit and you need energy and there was only a cake, so you need cake! Aha! Lawy-- no, because then beer would count lol. Or we could go with something far far more benign like Kombucha or Kefir, which verge into far more normal drinks with some health benefits.

Also on the whole compelled to eat aspect I'd say that's largely exaggerated, with some people being that way but that's an extreme disorder. At least if we're both reading the same thing which was it sounded like large people are compelled to eat, where in general I think its more of a want to eat, and it's easy to eat, and it's VERY easy to eat unhealthy - this makes up most people I'd say. It's practically encouraged to eat poorly as it is often the cheapest options, most advertisements (and sales pitch lies too "like this crazy sugary cereal is going to make you big and strong, ignore the type 2 diabetes"), being large is hardly an achievement of mental disorder in this day and age, just pick the wrong foods and not work out enough, you don't need to "overeat" - eating unhealthy thus affecting the body is a short and easy trip that doesn't require binging.

So not "food is needed" the point, as I agree if you go generic that's the take away, but I didn't I went specifically to the unhealthy foods - if you're to say that junk food also shouldn't be represented in FFXIV then at least it's consistent, no unhealthy drinks, even if there was moderation, no unhealthy food, but I was personally imaging people would be like "but but that unhealthy food is delicious it gets a pass" and then I'd call that out for logical inconsistency. Alcohol can cause problems but so can eating poorly, both of them can be severe life altering (and ending) problems.

There's alcohol everywhere what are you talking about?
What we actually need now is smoking, Koh Rabntah has been in the game since 2.5 and they still won't give us her emote.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Environmental factors impacting your health negatively don't nullify the damage alcohol can do, things only add up. To me your post sounds like this: "I am already getting sick from so many things, why not get sicker in the one way I enjoy doing"




No, we shouldn't. People can drink all they want. Just don't think that alcohol in moderation is not harmful. That's a lie. It will only lead to regrets. Embrace the fact that X type of lifestyle will most likely lead to you having Y type of health. Don't be like "ahh, w/e, everything is fine" until it is not fine and it's too late to make things the way you really want them to be.

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Thing is I do not think anyone has said doing x vice has no consequence.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

There's alcohol everywhere what are you talking about?
What we actually need now is smoking, Koh Rabntah has been in the game since 2.5 and they still won't give us her emote.

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I have been requesting a smoking emote for ages so I agree 100% with your suggestion.

FFXIV: No smoking or alcohol, it could be seen as promoting bad habits to younger players.

WoW: Have a dungeon full of living beer! Enjoy Brewfest! Still no smoking, though.

Yeah, I just don't see the point.

If we're talking battle mechanics, we already have a bunch that essentially simulate the effects of being drunk (forced marches, misdirection, charm, even the Old status from Shisui, etc.). At most they could label something we already have or a combination of them as "drunk" or whatever. No need for anything new.

If we're talking RP, we already have a drinking emote and, well, our own imaginations. If you want to RP drinking or being drunk then just do it, nothing is stopping you. Heck, if you really want to go the extra mile (and get the RL visual effects too!) have a few while you're playing.

So if we're really just talking about not having consumable food/drink items that directly reference being liquor then, yeah, that's just kind of sad. I mean, you can already pretend that the orange juice is really a screwdriver if you truly want it to be. Otherwise you kind of come off like a 13 year old who just wants to see their character drink a beer in game because you think it makes them look cool.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

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Sugar is also poison.

They sell it to everyone and the industry funded studies to blame all our dietary woes on fat.

Artificial sweetener is worse. It tricks your body into thinking it's getting sugar, but it's not. It's why you drink tons of diet soda. Bloody ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Thing is I do not think anyone has said doing x vice has no consequence.

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Some people did say that:

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Originally Posted by ForctyusGold

there is nothing wrong about alcohol when youre drinking in small portions

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