Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

What are you confused about? I look at your statement, and even though I don't agree with it I recognize that it is your opinion. There is nothing to be confused about. However, presumably; if someone has a view in direct contrast to yours, the only reason why I can think it confuses you is because you see any view other than yours as incorrect.

Those are the type of thoughts I have when I respond with things like:
"I think males wearing dresses are dumb, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with gender restrictions."

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I could be wrong, but I interpreted where they were coming from as a general, “Why do people care so much about what other people do in a video game”. That’s my stance on a lot of these things. I don’t care what other people do with their character. How they dress them. What their glamour preferences are. It doesn’t cause me any harm, so I question why others get so upset over it. The immersion argument doesn’t really hold that much weight in my opinion since it is easy to just ignore what other people are doing.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

...Says the person who started a thread meant to shut out people with opposing views as you intend to bar them from saying anything and, failing that, ignoring them as much as possible.

Please, tell me I am not the only one who sees the irony in these statements.

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You aren’t. The OP was in the other thread about unlocking hempen race restrictions accusing it of being an echo chamber when people disagreed with their opinions—and then subsequently created their own thread and stated in the opening post that they wanted people who disagreed with them to stay out. Effectively creating their own echo chamber.

If we opened the door on gear I'd want to somehow use WoW's transmog system instead of our current glamour system where you learn an item's appearance.

We can still use glamour prisms to "learn" the appearance (and bind the item in doing so) and maybe also to apply the appearance. Plates could still be used to save outfits. I don't want to mess up the prism economy too badly, I just don't want to have to keep the actual gear anymore.

I'm against it. I like the idea of role specific gear adding to the role's identity. I'd vastly prefer JOB specific gear being more common but... Cutting costs cutting costs cutting costs.....

Also I've always defended the idea it's NOT the player's responsibility to concern themselves with the technical or budget hurdles of a game when requesting changes. The opposite mentality just serves to encourage people to speak in devs' behalf shutting down suggestions. If something isn't feasible it will be ignored. And no one but the dev team can confirm whether those hurdles are serious, specially given Yoshida has contradicted himself several times.

You might wanna dial back your language a bit Nightingaile. I've seen people banned for saying things similar to what you just did.
If you wanna keep things civil that's a two way street. Please be careful.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

You might wanna dial back your language a bit Nightingaile. I've seen people banned for saying things similar to what you just did.
If you wanna keep things civil that's a two way street. Please be careful.

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I appreciate the warning. I'm done though.

He's free to harass people all day long for all I care. But his own thread isnt some magical safe-space where he doesnt have to put up with what he dishes out.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I could be wrong, but I interpreted where they were coming from as a general, “Why do people care so much about what other people do in a video game”. That’s my stance on a lot of these things. I don’t care what other people do with their character. How they dress them. What their glamour preferences are. It doesn’t cause me any harm, so I question why others get so upset over it. The immersion argument doesn’t really hold that much weight in my opinion since it is easy to just ignore what other people are doing.

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I think it's pretentious to believe that things happening inside the game are not affected by what's going on outside of it, and we are currently living in a clown world. I strongly believe in the freedom of choice and a male wearing a dress does not affect what I can and cannot do in the game. However, I do have an issue with a dev team who makes decisions that supports an outside agenda that has found its way into a game I invest time, money, and emotion into.

Immersion is not an argument I've used, but I will use a related word: escapism. This is a term I believe applies to the majority of the playerbase, and when outside issues and agendas make it into the game, it profoundly affects what we pay good money to do. SE can never be faulted for this due to the popular "gaming experience may change" disclaimer, but I know better. I very much can blame them for making decisions that eff up my gaming experience, I just can't take them to court over it.

I'm still a subber, which for me means I am happy enough with the game and my experiences. However it's decisions like creating male bunny attire that make me rethink how I want to spend my money, because it makes rethink if im playing a game I can truly enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I think it's pretentious to believe that things happening inside the game are not affected by what's going on outside of it, and we are currently living in a clown world. I strongly believe in the freedom of choice and a male wearing a dress does not affect what I can and cannot do in the game. However, I do have an issue with a dev team who makes decisions that supports an outside agenda that has found its way into a game I invest time, money, and emotion into.

Immersion is not an argument I've used, but I will use a related word: escapism. This is a term I believe applies to the majority of the playerbase, and when outside issues and agendas make it into the game, it profoundly affects what we pay good money to do. SE can never be faulted for this due to the popular "gaming experience may change" disclaimer, but I know better. I very much can blame them for making decisions that eff up my gaming experience, I just can't take them to court over it.

I'm still a subber, which for me means I am happy enough with the game and my experiences. However it's decisions like creating male bunny attire that make me rethink how I want to spend my money, because it makes rethink if im playing a game I can truly enjoy.

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How exactly does them adding a bunny outfit, or dresses to males, even make a difference? Whether you may think they are doing for an outside agenda or not. How does this actually impact you? Are you forced to play a male character wearing a dress? I have questioned their priorities for dresses, but whether they add them to the game or not makes no real difference to me, I'd just like them to add things I want as well.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I think it's pretentious to believe that things happening inside the game are not affected by what's going on outside of it, and we are currently living in a clown world. I strongly believe in the freedom of choice and a male wearing a dress does not affect what I can and cannot do in the game. However, I do have an issue with a dev team who makes decisions that supports an outside agenda that has found its way into a game I invest time, money, and emotion into.

Immersion is not an argument I've used, but I will use a related word: escapism. This is a term I believe applies to the majority of the playerbase, and when outside issues and agendas make it into the game, it profoundly affects what we pay good money to do. SE can never be faulted for this due to the popular "gaming experience may change" disclaimer, but I know better. I very much can blame them for making decisions that eff up my gaming experience, I just can't take them to court over it.

I'm still a subber, which for me means I am happy enough with the game and my experiences. However it's decisions like creating male bunny attire that make me rethink how I want to spend my money, because it makes rethink if im playing a game I can truly enjoy.

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All I can really say is: if adding a male bunny suit impacts your enjoyment of this game that much, then perhaps you should unsubscribe. I’ve never understood how people can’t just...ignore what others are doing. So what if a Roe is in the male bunny outfit? Just ignore it if you don’t like it, and move on with your day. Why are you allowing yourself to get so hung up on what other people do with the character they pay for? That sounds more like something you should work on, rather than blame the developers. Escapism can still be achieved with quirky and funky things added to the game.

When I immerse myself in the story, it’s fairly easy for me to just tune out all the things that “don’t fit” into this universe. I’ve recently gone back to one of my alts on Crystal and have just been going through ARR on her. Even with seeing flying snowmen and Yokai couch mounts and whatever, I can still enjoy the story as it is. I just ignore all those extraneous details.

You’re arguing “escapism”—but the argument you’re presenting is just the same as the “immersion” argument. You’re just changing a word in it.

I've mentioned this in other threads but I'd prefer no restrictions at all... but that's likely not realistic considering the hurdles the devs have to go over with this game.

That said, I do wish that the hairstyles and outfits that go on the mogstation were unlocked completely. Race, gender. Whatever.
It just feels like you'd want to cast a wide net when you put up an item for real money... and what casts a wider net than making an item accessible to all? Would it be too much to ask them to put more work on these "premium" items?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Then sorry, but his reason is just outright incorrect. Since 2.0 99% of female gear is entirely based on female midlanders, the different shapes are done through bone scaling. There are no different models for female characters besides lalafell (where male and female have basically the exact same body). Adding a new race that is also based on female midlander does not create more work for their gear, you already had to make gear for that body in the first place. The only extra workload they gain from adding new races are the race's original assets when they first make them, like head models, horns, other customization options and maybe racial gear.

The male characters have slightly more variation in models, you can't really achieve the Roegadyn body with bone scaling. Male Au Ra, Elezen and Midlander are all based on the derplander body, Roegadyn and Hrothgar share a model as well. The only outliers are Highlander, which sometimes uses the derplander model and sometimes has it's own model with thicker arms, and Lalafell which share a model between genders.

Adding Hrothgar and Viera didn't add any extra workload to their outfits since the model they use is already present on other races and the only extra workload they could've had, the headgear, has just been ignored.

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No, you don't seem to get it.

Your character doesn't have a "Body", your character is made out of Legos. To put it simply, once you equip a top that top is now "your torso", there isn't anything underneath it. So yeah, there are 1000s of different "models" for females cause each thing that replaces a body part is a model that makes up your character. What you're likely thinking of is rigs, all females other than lala's use the same base rig. But what makes up their body is legos of gear that the devs have to make sure fit well and act right.

Here is what YP had to say ..
"In a Fan Festival keynote speech, I stated that this will likely be the last time we add new playable races to FFXIV. To put it simply, a tremendous amount of time and resources are required to develop one. I’m sure you all understand that a new race will require new faces, hairstyles, bodies, and other assets. In addition to this, they need to be capable of equipping all existing items—this alone requires a massive commitment of resources. Each race has a unique frame and body type, and so every piece of visible equipment needs to be carefully adjusted to display properly on Hrothgar and Viera models. A cursory search will show that FFXIV has around ten thousand equippable items already implemented, all of which must be manually modified by our designers. This is an immediate and unavoidable development cost incurred when adding a new race.

The addition of new playable races will impact more than the development cost of the items added in 5.1 and subsequent updates. Not only will we be transitioning from twelve variations (six races, two genders each) to fourteen, but we will also need to commit more resources to the development of new emotes. While FFXIV will continue to strive to maintain a regular 3.5 month major update cycle, we must also ensure that sufficient time is secured for the meticulous development of new content—or else the quality will invariably drop. This is a complex problem that can’t be solved simply by throwing more money or people at it, as it impacts both debugging and QA.

In summary, these are the circumstances which informed my previous statement that this is likely to be the last time we add new playable races; as at this point in time, it is difficult to see us maintaining our patch update schedule if we have to account for more than seven races and two genders (technically six races with two genders and two races with a single gender, but this is the functional equivalent)."