Before you power level noobs

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

Hypocrites will continue to contradict themselves. ^^;

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how am I a hypocrite?

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Originally Posted by Xakery

how am I a hypocrite?

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Start a thread hating on a certain group of people using the exact word "hate". Then when people respond with sensible reasoned debate you state that you're being hated on and term them "haters".

I'd literally save this thread as a future reference for if the terms "hypocrite" and "contradiction" ever need to be explained to someone.

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

Start a thread hating on a certain group of people using the exact word "hate". Then when people respond with sensible reasoned debate you state that you're being hated on and term them "haters".

I'd literally save this thread as a future reference for if the terms "hypocrite" and "contradiction" ever need to be explained to someone.

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w/e good thing I blisted you. You give me a headache!

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Originally Posted by Xakery

w/e good thing I blisted you. You give me a headache!

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Haha you Blist people because they have a valid point...your such a poor sport...i mean you made a pretty bad thread admit it and move on...

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Originally Posted by Xakery

haters gon hate *bump*

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Yes, you are.

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Originally Posted by Xakery

w/e good thing I blisted you. You give me a headache!

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...yes thinking will do that if you aren't used to it.

As for black listing me...why she/he seems to think I'd want to do in-game content with them after displaying this kind of mentality is beyond me. You're hypocritical and when people's opinions differ to your own you choose to essentially cover your ears and scream to block out any reason.

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

...yes thinking will do that if you aren't used to it.

As for black listing me...why she/he seems to think I'd want to do in-game content with them after displaying this kind of mentality is beyond me. You're hypocritical and when people's opinions differ to your own you choose to essentially cover your ears and scream to block out any reason.

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That's exactly why I asked to be blisted lol.

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

...yes thinking will do that if you aren't used to it.

As for black listing me...why she/he seems to think I'd want to do in-game content with them after displaying this kind of mentality is beyond me. You're hypocritical and when people's opinions differ to your own you choose to essentially cover your ears and scream to block out any reason.

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nope, only nancies and lazies

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Originally Posted by Xakery

w/e good thing I blisted you. You give me a headache!

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Logic gives you headaches. That's good to know. Then again, that's not really a surprise given that it seems you prefer to exist in a world where everything is nice and simple and you don't have to worry your pretty little head about complicated adult things like logic, grey areas, and having to learn how to work with rather than against other people.

PS, you should blist me too. I want to be one of the cool kids~

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

I'd argue the validness of some of these points...

Party dynamics. People don't really need to 'tank' to exp party atm. Exp parties are mostly TP burns (to use FFXI yet again) where hate just bounces around and you kill the mobs as soon as possible. Also we already kinda mentioned that the dynamics of an exp party don't really come close to raids or primals. Raids and primals use pretty specific strats. Although I can see some reasoning behind "how to use your job" however, this is so easy to pick up after you've leveled with like one or two leves. This isn't FFXI, jobs aren't overly complicated and skills have in game help explaining pretty extensively what they do and how they work.

Meeting people. I've 'legit'-ly leveled all 4 of the current jobs I have at 50. I'm a member of the social ls I made myself (just me and some RL friends) and the only other LS I'm part of invited me when I was just stood around in Gridinia. Also even with PL, you're still going to meet people since you're still in a party with 7 other people.

Untempered personality. I netflixed (other movie streaming services are available!) while leveling because it's just dull after a while and exping dynamics (hi tp/mana burn) mean you don't really need to be that focused in all honesty. All it really does is braces you for tedium although given Primal's terrible drop mechanics you may have a point here...though nothing is going to 'prepare' people to see the same dupe 10 times or to see someone toss the weapon they need for the 20th time. The path itself was just leveing, mites, raptors, more raptors, even more raptors, and finally Natalan...maaaaaaaybe broken water before Natalan if you're feeling fancy.

Currently it's a choice and nothing more. I don't mean to hate on grind parties but to suggest they're inherently better than PLing isn't logical at this point. If grind parties actually prepared you for endgame and required mastery of your job, or if they made you encounter a vast range of mobs that all have to be learned how to deal with then sure there might be a point in grinding rather than PLing.

Just do what you want because either way you're going to have to learn how to play your job for each endgame situation. P.S. youtube helps for this (other video streaming/sharing sites are available~)

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I appreciate you have a different point of view. I also appreciate that the experience may be different for you. If taking the route of PL for a job does not impair you in any way when you are ready for the bigger challenges at the end of the road, then that is admirable. It means you found other ways to hone and perfect your skills.

But not everyone is like you. Some people will be PLed and have no idea what to do at 50, nor have spent time to learn. IN other words, the fact that it may work fine for you does not necessarily mean it will work well for others ^.^; Also, you are referring to not your first second or even third job. Some people are getting PLed on their first job.

On a side note:
It appears the present PL method is to take advantage of the /pcmd to drop/join parties so that the XP distribution is correct. This seems a bit... wrong?

If it was PL by way of a WHM standing by and helping heal, that is one thing. If it is by means of taking advantage of the XP mechanics so it does not notice it was really killed by someone level 50, is that not inappropriate?