Post-Honeymoon SHB thoughts?

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

the chinese monk guy was pretty boring. i can't even remember his name in spite of the cool fight you have with thancred and later when you sieze eulmore. he was supposed to be vauthry's darth vader so to speak and he lacked any sort of presence beyond being strong and dedicated to vauthry

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Basically this.
The guy had stronger story than Zenos, he was fighting scary creatures for decades and trained and lead a whole freaking army to fight them.
He should be several times stronger than zenos, and his story should be prolonged, that was a shame.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Basically this.
The guy had stronger story than Zenos, he was fighting scary creatures for decades and trained and lead a whole freaking army to fight them.
He should be several times stronger than zenos, and his story should be prolonged, that was a shame.

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You mean, several time stronger than the dude strongharming an immortal being, comming back from death after merging with a world-ending tier primal, killing is own father the emperor of garlemald on a whim telling the whole empire reason to exist to f*ck off so he can do whatever he want. Yeah sure, its totaly less impressive than kicking a trolley and goind toe to toe with Thancred.

Story wise, Ran'jit job is done. Minfilia is no more, he had no more role to play in the story. He died a warrior, fighting to protect who he cherished even if it was the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

You mean, several time stronger than the dude strongharming an immortal being, comming back from death after merging with a world-ending tier primal, killing is own father the emperor of garlemald on a whim telling the whole empire reason to exist to f*ck off so he can do whatever he want. Yeah sure, its totaly less impressive than kicking a trolley and goind toe to toe with Thancred.

Story wise, Ran'jit job is done. Minfilia is no more, he had no more role to play in the story. He died a warrior, fighting to protect who he cherished even if it was the wrong way.

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Zenos is not Ascian to be given so much power so early, he is strong because poor plot decisions allowed him to be so.
Ranjit had decades of fighting experience with terrying light creatures, zenos is spoiled brat in his late 20s with plot armour.

The common sense says Ranjit should be many levels above zenos.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Zenos is not Ascian to be given so much power so early, he is strong because poor plot decisions allowed him to be so.
Ranjit had decades of fighting experience with terrying light creatures, zenos is spoiled brat in his late 20s with plot armour.

The common sense says Ranjit should be many levels above zenos.

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Yeah Zenos totaly isn't a trained Garlemald General, son of the emperor of an empire created and lead by immortal being, using every scientific advancement and that are not afraid of exeprimenting the sh*t out of everybody to gain military might, he totaly didn't lead the Gyr abania invasion force, reign upon them and repress every single rebellion in bloodshed. He totaly isn't a fullblown psychopath willing to detroy every single thing in its path to confront us. He's not an ascien, he's not immortal and still he look right into the eyes of an ascien and tell to give him back is body or he'll take it himself, the immortal being probably as powerfull as Hades comply to its demand without an argument.

I don't even like Zenos, I find him overhyped and all, but it don't change fact he's an unstopable beast of military might and power.

And whatever if Ran'jit was stronger or anything. Its about what he can bring to the story and Ran'jit have told everything he had to, he would serve no purpose in the storytelling.

Ranjit is probably more like Estinien or Gaius, probably fell into despair after leading countless attempts to rebel against the light.

Estinien particulary, that loldrg is quite strong after taming the strenght of a first brood dragon. Probably the closest to us after Zenos. If Zenos isn't stronger than us already.

Still more fun than SB. I actually enjoy the endgame dungeons and raids, and I've clocked in more time in the first month of the game's release than I ever did during SB's. Only complaints I have are job related (who doesn't have these?) and that we don't have NG+ or relics for a while.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Yeah Zenos totaly isn't a trained Garlemald General

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Being a General doesn't make one physically powerful.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

son of the emperor of an empire created and lead by immortal being

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Which doesn't make one physically powerful. Nepotism usually breeds weakness.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

using every scientific advancement and that are not afraid of exeprimenting the sh*t out of everybody to gain military might

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Unethical human experimentation usually makes someone weaker and sicker, not stronger.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

reign upon them and repress every single rebellion in bloodshed.

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Zenos did nearly everything he could to be overthrown by a revolt. That's the opposite of what you said.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

He totaly isn't a fullblown psychopath willing to detroy every single thing in its path to confront us.

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What you just described is a person who will not get very far in life.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

He's not an ascien, he's not immortal and still he look right into the eyes of an ascien and tell to give him back is body or he'll take it himself, the immortal being probably as powerfull as Hades comply to its demand without an argument.

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Convenient that a supposed sundered being is more physically powerful than anyone else include the Ancients whom are millenia old at this point.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

I don't even like Zenos, I find him overhyped and all, but it don't change fact he's an unstopable beast of military might and power.

And whatever if Ran'jit was stronger or anything. Its about what he can bring to the story and Ran'jit have told everything he had to, he would serve no purpose in the storytelling.

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Zenos is strong because the writers said so, but it's completely illogical how he became the most powerful person in the game.

What honeymoon?

It's just more of the same mediocre-decent.
Still a could-be-solo game that happens to connect thousand of players together.
(well, I do appreciate the idea of a solo/small-multiplayer game with an integrated chatroom. But calling it a mmo is a lie)
More forgettable quests, more generic lore, more useless areas, more shallow game systems.
Cut-scene quality is still very random, and just bad most of the time.
Old content is still left to rot, which makes the game, as a whole, worse.
No update to any foundations of the game, no try to breakthrough in anything, no new feature. The closest thing we got is the Trusts, but it's only for 5 dungeons (and because it wasn't bad enough, they added the grind to level them up)

And a lot of small details like how the last boss went from "could be interesting" to "just another angry antagonist" to "has to transform to a big monster because every last boss has to be a big monster".
And then transforms again into a bigger monster.
With a generic last boss theme.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Tbh, what disappoints me the most is the lack of sin eaters outside MSQ. For being a realm plagued with them to the point people are afraid of even going outside town, there's none on the overworld, and not a single fate or side quests that involves sin eaters (not that I recall at least). Makes it feel like they weren't really a threat to begin with.

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It was the same with Stormblood areas lacking Garlean occupiers, and it's unfortunately for the same reason: after you complete the MSQ and boot out the Garleans/get rid of the light, the enemy spawns would have to change completely.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Being a General doesn't make one physically powerful.


Which doesn't make one physically powerful. Nepotism usually breeds weakness.


Unethical human experimentation usually makes someone weaker and sicker, not stronger.


Zenos did nearly everything he could to be overthrown by a revolt. That's the opposite of what you said.


What you just described is a person who will not get very far in life.


Convenient that a supposed sundered being is more physically powerful than anyone else include the Ancients whom are millenia old at this point.




Zenos is strong because the writers said so, but it's completely illogical how he became the most powerful person in the game.

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"Just because the writer said so" isn't an argument, of course it is, everything in a story is. Its not even about who is the stronger, its about what you can tell with it. For what it is Tataru could whoop their asses the only thing that matter is what it bring to the story.

What Ran'jit being alive could tell ? What an overpowered Zenos can tell ? Its all that matter, there is plenty of reason for Zenos to be that strong, just because you choose to ignore them out of no logical reason don't change the fact he is far stronger and resiliant than any vilain we face before and after. Ran'jit story have run its course and had a meaningfull conclusion.