How it used to be...

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

You mind telling me which MMO focuses on endgame primarily? The only one I know of is 20 years old.

All of the modern MMOs in the last 15 years focus over 80% of their time with questing, leveling, and lore content. Aka solo player content. Even FFXIV does this.

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You'd have to play very little XIV, or be some manner of TT/LoV/BT/GS competitionist, for the majority of your time spent to be in solo content, let alone 80% of it.

The same is true of WoW, Rift, GW2, B&S, Neverwinter, and (though more variably) PoE.

When design decisions are made to curtail complexity at the new level cap, to the result of negatively affecting the sense of player progression or toolkit cohesion at earlier levels -- i.e. when you improve A (endgame) at the expense of B (everything prior) -- we can say that endgame is their priority. That much hasn't occurred in each of the MMOs I've listed above, but it certainly has in, say, WoW... and a fair bit here (though it's always been notoriously unwilling to give much to early levels).

I usually just wait until the "new expansion people" leave and then do stuff. The people who play pretty much all the time are usually not as mean as those rushing to do everything then quit till the next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

You'd have to play very little XIV, or be some manner of TT/LoV/BT/GS competitionist, for the majority of your time spent to be in solo content, let alone 80% of it.

The same is true of WoW, Rift, GW2, B&S, Neverwinter, and (though more variably) PoE.

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I should have been more specific with the focus of the devs being on solo-leveling content.

You can see it here in ShB. Look at all the new zones. All that is for 70-79. The 8 dungeons and 3 trials together pale in scale to even one zone.

nice community btw™

I've been playing for a little over a month. I have unlocked 1 raid, by accident, which I will never do. I will not raid, specifically because of the toxic mindset I have encountered in the past on it. I'm not the best player, I know this, and so I am not going to put myself in that situation. I know my rotations, know how to keep my defenses up, and I know how to avoid giant glowing warnings on the ground.

In casual leveling I have had ONE bad experience.

A friend of mine talked me into doing a dungeon I had never done before. They are way more experienced than me. They were telling me over voice, "Pull everything! Pull everything! That's how you tank!"

Meanwhile I'm trying to maneuver around an unfamiliar area with huge drops. I fell off of a ledge. This caused a party wipe.

This was the dialogue:
Rude Player: "The tank didn't f"in tank!"
Froend: "They fell off."
Me: "Sorry! I told y'all it was my first time here."
Rude player: "That's no excuse learn 2 play."
Me: "I've only been playing for a week."
Rude player: "Don't play tank."
Friend: "It was one death, you've spent more time yelling at her than it took to get back here."
Rude player: "This ???? wouldn't fly in WoW."

We vote kicked him.

So is it all WoW refugees, or just WoW refugees? No. Though I do believe a good amount of it is coming from WoW.

People were really friendly and willing to help others

But nobody wanted to be helped. People took any constructive criticism as a personal attack. People are jaded now.

This stuff has been going on since the very beginning, it's not new and it's not just WoW players.

Reminds me of this from 2.0 I believe, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ple-in-General)

I just think the really bad ones will get themselves banned eventually anyway. Just report all that act like a 5 year old and move on. Nothing you can do otherwise. One guy followed me around trying to harass me for 20 minutes. He got suspended. Happy to see jerks getting what they deserved.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

I've been playing for a little over a month. I have unlocked 1 raid, by accident, which I will never do. I will not raid, specifically because of the toxic mindset I have encountered in the past on it. I'm not the best player, I know this, and so I am not going to put myself in that situation. I know my rotations, know how to keep my defenses up, and I know how to avoid giant glowing warnings on the ground.

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Sounds like you already know everything you need to know to jump into Normal/Alliance raid roulette. Both are extremely laid back. Sometimes trash talk breaks out, but I've rarely seen it escalate to true drama llama levels.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

In casual leveling I have had ONE bad experience.

A friend of mine talked me into doing a dungeon I had never done before. They are way more experienced than me. They were telling me over voice, "Pull everything! Pull everything! That's how you tank!"

Meanwhile I'm trying to maneuver around an unfamiliar area with huge drops. I fell off of a ledge. This caused a party wipe.

This was the dialogue:
Rude Player: "The tank didn't f"in tank!"
Froend: "They fell off."
Me: "Sorry! I told y'all it was my first time here."
Rude player: "That's no excuse learn 2 play."
Me: "I've only been playing for a week."
Rude player: "Don't play tank."
Friend: "It was one death, you've spent more time yelling at her than it took to get back here."
Rude player: "This ???? wouldn't fly in WoW."

We vote kicked him.

So is it all WoW refugees, or just WoW refugees? No. Though I do believe a good amount of it is coming from WoW.

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Only time I've seen stuff like this happen is when it's someone who came from WoW. Not saying resident FFXIV players aren't capable of this type of behavior, just that I've only encountered WoW refugees behaving like this. And if I had been in that run with you, I would have defended you, too. I don't have much tolerance for attacking new players, or players trying out a role they aren't familiar with.

I mean MMO's in general can be a 50/50. Some good some bad. But with this game there's definitely been more good than bad, but when you do meet those choice players it stands out more.