And the last bastion of non-Mog Station items gets put on Mog Station

While I wish some thing were account wide and others available in game, these types of games have to make money somewhere. I just don't think the sub model is viable for games like this anymore.

Didn't like when WoW did it with mounts, but as subs plummeted, they had to do something.

Just my take

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

While I wish some thing were account wide and others available in game, these types of games have to make money somewhere. I just don't think the sub model is viable for games like this anymore.

Didn't like when WoW did it with mounts, but as subs plummeted, they had to do something.

Just my take

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They could always take some of their profits and reinvest them into the game adding more things for us to do so they can retain more subscriptions instead of giving it to FFXV and FFVII Remake instead.

Actually, why do that when they can spend a fraction of that and just milk the whales instead?

They are reinvesting into the game, the fact that the team size has doubled and that they are still searching for more ppl it does shows that they are investing big into the game.
If they were just giving yoshida dimes we wouldn't be the game with one of the biggest team size in the sector

Also let us stop pretending that throwing money to something equates directly to a better product it's simply not true and has been shown countless of times alreadt. You can't buy talent a much as we'd like otherwise

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The same amount they charge for it outside the game for a digital download version? Which is kinda half the price then what we got for the mog station which is bad since you can hear them even less then outside.

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If it's not worth it, don't buy it. I have no issue with people not buying things. I only take issue with making it a moral crisis for Square Enix to sell them.

15 dollars for an orchestrion is beyond stupid.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

They are reinvesting into the game, the fact that the team size has doubled and that they are still searching for more ppl it does shows that they are investing big into the game.

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The team size has doubled? Source please.

Here is something to consider:

https://amp.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ges_over_time/

Based upon the number of people listed in the credits, the size of the dev team has not changed significantly. It definitely has not doubled.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

They are reinvesting into the game, the fact that the team size has doubled and that they are still searching for more ppl it does shows that they are investing big into the game.
If they were just giving yoshida dimes we wouldn't be the game with one of the biggest team size in the sector

Also let us stop pretending that throwing money to something equates directly to a better product it's simply not true and has been shown countless of times alreadt. You can't buy talent a much as we'd like otherwise

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Of course you can; it's how the world works. The reason why money does not always equate directly to a better product is that people spend it foolishly and assess talent improperly. It's always a prerequisite, however, particularly when you're trying to maintain success rather than create it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

The team size has doubled? Source please.

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I second this.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

If it's not worth it, don't buy it. I have no issue with people not buying things. I only take issue with making it a moral crisis for Square Enix to sell them.

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I don't get the impression anyone's making these things out to be a 'moral' crisis. I'd also argue that consumers are absolutely within their rights, and indeed obligated, to throw companies under the bus when they demonstrate incompetence or engage in deceptive practices. SE charging half as much for a more flexible and higher-quality MP3 vs. a Mog Station purchase is absolutely, without question, a demonstration of incompetence at best, and a deceptive practice at worst. Why is it they shouldn't face criticism for it? Wouldn't you criticize a construction company that charged you twice as much relative to another customer across town, simply because you live in a different zip code?

It's important to keep in mind that the 'not worth it, don't buy it' approach doesn't effectively guide corporate behaviour in a capitalistic marketplace if goods and their prices aren't easily compared with one another. Like in the construction example I offered above, it's often quite difficult to tell what the crew typically charges for a given piece of work, and it's not even all that easy to find out what competing crews charge: you have to dig around. This makes it relatively easy for a consumer to be over-charged, whether by design or by accident. It's very much worthy of criticism.

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I don't get the impression anyone's making these things out to be a 'moral' crisis. I'd also argue that consumers are absolutely within their rights, and indeed obligated, to throw companies under the bus when they demonstrate incompetence or engage in deceptive practices. SE charging half as much for a more flexible and higher-quality MP3 vs. a Mog Station purchase is absolutely, without question, a demonstration of incompetence at best, and a deceptive practice at worst.

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Two things. First, it's not unequivocally deceptive or incompetent. One could make the argument that the orchestrion roll is a much better value than the mp3 when the person in charge of the playlist in FC housing buys it and shares it with a few dozen FC members, something which they can't do (legally) with the mp3.

But second, it doesn't matter if this was a strictly inferior product. Who are you to decide how much Square Enix can charge for it? Why do you conclude that the orchestrion roll is overpriced, rather than the mp3 being underpriced? Are we talking in terms of maximum profit for Square Enix here? What's your criteria? It seems to me that the people who are upset about this are arguing from a standpoint that this is somehow "wrong," which is why I said they were "making it a moral crisis." I initially chimed in to counter the argument that a cash shop shouldn't exist in a game with a subscription, for instance. We're talking about entirely optional luxury items. The market can handle this. I'm glad people have pointed out that there is a cheaper alternative, and I hope people take advantage of that. But trying to induce artificial market forces on the pricing of luxury items is likely going to lead to more exploitative models (see: free-to-play games).

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

15 dollars for an orchestrion is beyond stupid.

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5$ for one

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Originally Posted by Talraen

Two things. First, it's not unequivocally deceptive or incompetent. One could make the argument that the orchestrion roll is a much better value than the mp3 when the person in charge of the playlist in FC housing buys it and shares it with a few dozen FC members, something which they can't do (legally) with the mp3.

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Fair point - and one I'll admit to overlooking.

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But second, it doesn't matter if this was a strictly inferior product. Who are you to decide how much Square Enix can charge for it?

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A consumer. One who is free to exert their opinion not simply with their wallet, but with their voice. Perhaps I'm someone who resents the cash store in its entirety (I do); perhaps I'm someone who wants to purchase more optional items, but can't afford them at the current price point; perhaps I'm a teenager who REALLY wanted that Orchestrion Roll, but whose parents drew a line at $3. Each of these views might oppose the current pricing for some reason or another. Some might even purchase the product despite this opposition. And all have the right to voice complaints about the price point and offering, in addition to the monetary vote they cast with their wallet.