Anyone Else Find Sprint No Longer Using TP Making Tanks Even Worse?

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Originally Posted by Maeka

TL;DR "Play the way I do or you're doing it wrong and I look down on you for it"

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How many times can the same journey be made before the journey starts to matter very little?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I just had a lovely experience of a tank sprinting off while I was typing and he pulled an enormous amount. Even with sprint I had no hope of catching up until he stopped but by then he had less than 20% hp. When we wipe all I get told was "you panicked" "use sprint" and "I had Living Dead on, you had plenty of time to heal".

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so you was typing and let the tank die? and now you blame the tank for doing his job?

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Originally Posted by Maeka

But yet you are insisting that people go to ridiculous lengths to shave off meaningless amounts of time. Take, for example, the guy at the top of this page complaining that his "usual" (lol) runs take 13-15 minutes and he got one that was 18 minutes instead.

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Saving 17-28% of the time seems more than a meaningless amount to me. And before you attempt to correct my or the previous poster's expectations, we're working under the idea that that is an average for the same scenario (e.g. a purely random group). My own level of tolerance before I start to check the time would be around a standard deviation. If there are no mitigating factors, mild frustration will likely occur by 2 standard deviations. That's just me, of course.

The primary reason for the complaints isn't that it's taking longer. It's that it's taking longer for absolutely no benefit. One has free access to Sprint. Neglecting it makes things less safe, slows movement, and increases the likelihood of reseting DPS ramp-up. For hitting a single button, you can quite likely contribute as much to the overall run as a third, lesser-geared DPS would. Forgive me, then, if I feel like that's time wasted when one refuses to do so. Do you feel happy thoughts towards a DRK who refuses to use Darkside?

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FFXIV was designed around the concept that

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Now, that, however, I do see as meaningless. Unless a design were pulled off really damn well, it's irrelevant. Intention =/= result. And I see no way in which this game forces you to play any more or less than any other, and I can't really credit a game that encourages you to play it less, so where is this even coming from? I've certainly played some more "at your own pace" games than this, partly because there's some actual emphasis on inherently interesting content and the leveling experience, rather than primarily just the endgame and its carrot-and-treadmill model (a mixed metaphor, but I have faith its meaning is not lost), but is even that proof of design? Most things you hear from a content developer after release are not about intended design; they're about mitigating or drawing the image towards what's favorable given their original and current desires for the game. Yoshida can say whatever the hell he wants about the game or how it should be played; that won't change the game itself in any way by which to make his statements more true.

Even then, I certainly don't remember any statement saying that one can pace any and all content as he likes, regardless of whatever desires his fellow players in said content may have. You self-pace by choosing the content and parties that suit your playstyle. Dungeons, being so favorable to sprint, tend to use it. If it means so much to you that it not be a contributing factor, you can either lobby for its removal here or create "no sprint" parties in-game. But expect otherwise that people will ask that you use your [freely improves run times] button. And that's what this has been about.
Fact: Sprint is a sizable contribution.
Point of Discussion: people aren't using Sprint, slowing progress yet with zero benefit.
Counter: people should be free to slow their parties! [Uncontested, but also irrelevant.]

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Originally Posted by Maeka

But yet you are insisting that people go to ridiculous lengths to shave off meaningless amounts of time. Take, for example, the guy at the top of this page complaining that his "usual" (lol) runs take 13-15 minutes and he got one that was 18 minutes instead.

Big freaking whoop.

If 5 minutes is so agonizing to to them that they're going to complain about it, then they should just log off the game. They've gotten to the point where it is no longer fun for them.

To be honest, if I were in a dungeon run that took 60 minutes+, then yes I would be annoyed because that's some serious dinking around/wiping/etc BS. But c'mon, 5 minutes? Are you kidding me? First-world problems, etc.

Fun fact: FFXIV was designed around the concept that you needn't rush anything and you're expected to play other games now and then, unlike most MMOs. I love this game, and this is one of the reasons why. Other MMOs want ALL of your available time and will punish you if you don't feed it enough.

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Since when is playing to your best abilities such a problem?

Meh, I'll keep up as best I can, but if Sprint is on CD, then Sprint is on CD. Like when both DPS in Kugane Castle decide to drag the bomb adds on that boss right over to where I am. Of course in that case the tank and I were both popping Sprint to gtf over to the tiny little sliver of safe arena they'd left us. But I have had times Sprint was on CD from boss usage. It happens. We're probably going to wipe if the tank goes zooming off like the Roadrunner, and they can bitch at me all they want when they die.

If the tank wants to use sprint he needs to have some situational awareness. That's the reason for this expansion I was forced to make a protect macro that says, "Casting Protect, Please don't sprint off yet". Tanks that properly utilize sprint while also paying attention to their other party members situation, always receives a commendation from me. (Maybe the healer has sprint off cooldown because it was used during the last boss fight.) I absolutely love it when tanks properly use sprint, and great tanks will always remember SCH's like to prebuff with Aldo and Excog before they sprint off to aggro the mobs.

So I would say it made a lot of tanks play worse, but the tanks that do use sprint well make them play MUCH better.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

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I just dont understand the point. Everytime I zone in and see a tank sprint off while I'm casting Protect my first thought is...where the frak are you sprinting to? You're really not saving any amount of time that matters.

I don't find tanks bad I find the new sprint in general to be horrid. shorter duration and longer cool-down. Makes doing mechanics a pain.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

I don't find tanks bad I find the new sprint in general to be horrid. shorter duration and longer cool-down. Makes doing mechanics a pain.

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It's worse for casters, but actually viable for TP users in combat now, so that's a fair trade-off.

Mavis Beacon

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