RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

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Originally Posted by Joe777

If there is anything RDM shouldn't have it is Verflare and Verholy. Flare and Holy are supposed to be out of a Red Mage's league, at least based on classic Red Mages.

Then again, so was Life spells...

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They could always just do VerBlizzard/VerWater in place of Flare/Holy.

You could solo content as a SCH, too.

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Originally Posted by Typhoria

They could always just do VerBlizzard/VerWater in place of Flare/Holy.

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The problem is that those two sound much more similar to the other four elemental spells (Veraero, -thunder, -stone, -fire), while Verholy/flare are meant as powerful finishers to the melee combo that they build their mana towards.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

The problem is that those two sound much more similar to the other four elemental spells (Veraero, -thunder, -stone, -fire), while Verholy/flare are meant as powerful finishers to the melee combo that they build their mana towards.

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True, but if he made the comment about how RDM shouldn't use those abilities. So if its an issue with naming, that could be solved easily. I was under the impression the only reason we could cast Holy/Flare was because our rapier/focus was overloaded with mana and had to have something powerful enough to be able to dump it, hence why we can't spam either ability.

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Originally Posted by Typhoria

They could always just do VerBlizzard/VerWater in place of Flare/Holy.

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I feel that those spells, potentially in the future, would be best served as AoE spells to combo off of scatter.

As for the main topic: Verno.

I find it odd how people can defend RDM in its current state, when it is by far the easiest caster to play. Its rotation is basic, is very mobile, has reasonable dps, and good utility. Its harder to play a BLM well comparative to RDM, and SNM is very punishing if you die.

I strongly feel RMD needs more difficulty added to the job through its mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

I strongly feel RMD needs more difficulty added to the job through its mechanics.

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People like easy things. There really isn't any real good reason to take a BLM into Savage compared to the currently OP and simple RDM, but that's on the developers to change.

And cue the "Let's ignore facts!" parade. Remember when Yoshi P said they're not increasing/decreasing damage based on complexity/simplicity which is a subjective and perceived value? I remember. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

I find it odd how people can defend RDM in its current state, when it is by far the easiest caster to play. Its rotation is basic, is very mobile, has reasonable dps, and good utility. Its harder to play a BLM well comparative to RDM, and SNM is very punishing if you die.

I strongly feel RMD needs more difficulty added to the job through its mechanics.

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For how it performs in savage content, it's in a pretty okay spot.

To counter you: It may be harder to optimize BLM, but an optimized BLM destroys an optimized RDM any day of the week in terms of damage. In every fight, BLM is competing with SAM and MNK, while RDM kind of drifts between mid to last. This is a trend that remains to higher percentiles as well, mind; the percentiles where it can be safely assumed four people didn't die to reduce the RDM's damage.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

People like easy things. There really isn't any real good reason to take a BLM into Savage compared to the currently OP and simple RDM, but that's on the developers to change.

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There's no reason to take a RDM once prog is done tbh. Once you're done needing the security blanket that healers should have covered by default anyway, BLM is far and away the better choice for farms and speedkills.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

BLM is far and away the better choice for farms and speedkills.

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Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.