Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

I'd rather have a lazy healer who just tops off health bars, than the "nothing but DPS" "healer" which has become the norm nowadays.

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i'd rather neither to be honest

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Stop doing nothing. The other healer shouldn't have to carry you. I don't know why this behavior keeps happening, but it shouldn't. I'm sick of doing 8 man content, because every so often, someone doesn't want to want to actually do the part they signed up for.

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To be faire there are lazy DPS who do next to nothing and lazy tank who don't put the bare minimum effort (looking for boss strat).

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Originally Posted by era1Ne

The whm also has an insane healing output and many ogcd heals. Why not use them and work with your co-healer together?

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I'm pretty sure "I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps" covers that but sure, don't let me get in the way of your crusade to prove you know the basics of cohealing interaction.

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Originally Posted by SlogDog

I'm pretty sure "I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps" covers that but sure, don't let me get in the way of your crusade to prove you know the basics of cohealing interaction.

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I am pretty sure, i've never said the stuff in your quotes or thought that you want them to never help with heal for example. I disagreed with two things in your post. First, you called it an issue, that ast or sch should know whm should do most of the dpsing, when in reality you should work together to get the most raiddps. Doesn't matter who heals more, less as long as you play as efficient as possible. Secondly, you said that whm should just do their thing (in most cases), which is still bad, if we talk about optimal play. But i do agree that playing like this can be fine, if you don't have an option to commuicate with the co-healer in an Pug group for example.

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Originally Posted by era1Ne

I am pretty sure, i've never said the stuff in your quotes.

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Alright you clarified, but if we are talking about optimal play letting the WHM do the "offhealing" nets you more combined raid dps then having your AST or SCH take that spot. The healers are both contributing 40/60, closer to 50/50 at times, but anytime the SCH/AST does majority dps the combined potential is a lot lower. AST especially easily cap out at 2kish dps, WHM can hit 3k+... An AST sacrificing 200-400 dps so that the WHM can pull out an extra 800-1k is a bigger benefit. stealing dps from the WHM doesn't make any sense for the good of the team.

Not gonna lie I do this when I get moogle hard mode in trials. Yawnn..*Alt-Tab.*

24-man content is the worse place for this because there can be a lazy healer in each party (joined by lazy BRDs and SMNs just placing/refreshing DoTs and standing around). >w>

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Originally Posted by Gun-Cat

I am actually suggesting to my co-healer they can go and concentrate on damage most of the time. That way the encounter is done quicker and it is more fun for me because healing might become a little bit challenging.

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Yea but that's both of you coordinating and agreeing to do it. Not the same as a random healer deciding to do no healing without informing anyone.

As for what OP said...well that's how it is with pugs. It's lottery. You're going to find bad and/or lazy players of every role.

Honestly there's laziness in every role when it comes to those eight mans, it's just more apparently when the healer or tank is slacking off because the only repercussion of poor DPS tends to be a longer fight or hitting the occasional enrage timer.

Whm = Medica 2 + regen MT. You are free to dps after that and use your oGCD heals as needed and cure occationally as needed

Ast(Diurnal) = ^

Ast(Nocturnal) = You take over the main healing after regens if with whm/Ast. If with sch you should've switched stances.

Sch = Despite the changes sch can still do a ton of dps and let the fairy do most of the work. If someone falls under half just throw excog or a lustrate then put a leash on the tank when your gauge is getting high.

These are simply the basics of juggling both healing and dps. I have tested all of these with pubs as well and been successful. If you can manage everything right you'll still be able to dps even while solo healing.