Request: Limiting the number of blatant Game of Thrones references in future?

I don't agree. Let the writers have fun with the story thay they make.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

No; it's not the general English phrase "a little bird told me", it's numerous references (by different characters in FFXIV) to "my little birds", in this case specifically referring to a spymaster's hidden network of trusted informants. Obviously the root is identical, but in the context of all of the other references it's difficult for me to read it and not imagine the characters who say it in the series. I mean, few of the words in ASoIaF are completely made-up. It's the popularisation of certain obscure lines and references which are being relentlessly plumbed by the writers here, and I personally think it would be nice if things were dialled back just a little.

As I said in my first post, if they varied the references more (i.e. using a broader mixture of fantasy series as inspiration) it wouldn't be so jarring.

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How does a spy having a network of carrier birds have to be a SoIF reference in regions based on Edo-era Japan and Turkey?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's not what localization is. Reasoning like this implies "I know better than the original author what is good for this character." This is authoriship, and a localization employee is not an author.

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I may be wrong, but I think Koji is both the head of the localization team but also a member of the story/authors team, so he's perfectly in his right to go authorship on FF14. Actually, I think he's in the best place to determinate how SE wants to convey the lore to both english speaking and japanese speaking populations and I'd bet he's doing it with the full agreement of Yoshida and the rest of the story team.

I got a pretty good smile out of the red mage quest. Pop culture references have been around since day one, and while some of them have made me facepalm a little, I feel like that's the point. I think they're fun.

Also, the main story for Stormblood is ABSOLUTELY OVERFLOWING with Hamilton references, so it's definitely not just Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire.

I don't know/care about GoT.

But I will say that a lot of these things you think are GoT references existed well outside/before GoT.

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Originally Posted by KerenRhys

I may be wrong, but I think Koji is both the head of the localization team but also a member of the story/authors team, so he's perfectly in his right to go authorship on FF14. Actually, I think he's in the best place to determinate how SE wants to convey the lore to both english speaking and japanese speaking populations and I'd bet he's doing it with the full agreement of Yoshida and the rest of the story team.

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Something like that - he's one of the two listed as "World Lore Creators" in the opening credits for Heavensward, and I think by this point we all (should) know they pretty much work in house with the devs and scenario writers.

Chances are they all trust the localization team and ultimately are okay with any changes made, which I'll believe over someone from the outside who ultimately bases their "it's bad" argument on it likely just being not how they would have handled it.

People will always find something to complain about....

^This. No matter what SE does it's always wrong. (And for the record I hate GoT, but I don't think the game is 'drowning' in GoT references).

And before you pass judgement, SE has used an overload of pop culture references in past FF games as well, to the point some FF game stories and concepts could be considered a past work given a FF spin.

FFXI's opening movie for instance was pretty much an expy of the Battle of Helm's Deep from Lord of the Rings ~ The Two Towers right down to the orcs (only without a happy ending), FFXII's story could be considered an imitation Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope in Ivalice with chocobos, and FF Tactics was virtually the real-world historical Hundred Years' War and the War of the Roses again transplanted into Ivalice. SE draws from the same wellspring of real world cultural memes, stories and history that George R.R. Martin did as well, meaning he did not invent those terms but simply reused them.

As SE draws from the same sources, they do not even need the presence of recent middlemen for these references, they already exist.

Whatever, I thought the RDM thing was hilarious because it was so blatant.

The references are so few and far between that they honestly don't bother me.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

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or maybe consider GoT is a very generic rpg inspired fantasy story? like a generic D&D scenario?

as good as it is, how do you know these come from GoT? ppl act like GoT invented this stuff. I've seen phrases like that pre-dating GoT.