WAIT...HOLD ON...STOP THE PRESSES.
I see the issues here.................... Wynn didn't get the memo that
BLM is gonna be THM and WHM is gonna be CON. Because there is 5 pages of him trying convince us CON are WHMs.
Appearently he believes with 8 pages of his pointless argueing that the rules will change, we will all see the error of our ways, and the des will change our minds.
Get over it......It is what it is.......CON is WHM....Deal with it.
Why CNJ > WHM & THM > BLM does make sense: A canoical study.
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11-11-2011, 05:38 AMCoglin
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11-11-2011, 05:49 AMRemVyeinb4Quote:
Originally Posted by Coglin
"troll" -wynn -
11-11-2011, 05:59 AMDuuude007And at 5:07 he again shows that the Sacrarium is very exclusive and shows no mention of containing THM, the Ossuary does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
Its like The Army and the Navy of the US military. Both are military, but they are very, very different, with separate headquarters, generals, etc etc.
Back to the original point:
THM representatives reside in the Ossuary, which literally means crypt. They carve weapons from the bones of the dead, and their only TP moves are umbral based. Character creation says that they perform acts of destruction.
In direct Contrast, CNJ representatives reside in the Fane, which literally means church. They wield living weapons of wood, and their only TP moves are astral based. Character creation says that they perform acts of creation. -
11-11-2011, 06:04 AMRemVyeNO......Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
Up is down and black is white!
For the 12th? time presenting these facts, do you think they will get the clue? doubtful.. -
11-11-2011, 06:07 AMDuuude007They have thick skulls?Quote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
Well.. I have a chisel.
Given enough time... I'll make a dent. :)
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11-11-2011, 06:07 AMNeptune
Wow OP, that is the worst written post I have ever seen on these boards. To everyone that gave him a thumbs up, I am going to show you why you shouldn't accept what he has written.
The evidence you have provided only supports that Conjurers have lore, and Thaumaturges have lore. But Conjurers have Umbral magic and Thaumaturges have Astral magic, unlike your post describes. And Astral does not equal Divine, does it?
"Normal Attack: CNJ = Spirit vs. THM = Phantom
TP Attack: CNJ = Astral vs. THM = Umbral"
You're making it sound like Thaumaturges use only Umbral magic, which isn't the case is it? Thaumaturges use Astral Magic as well. In fact, Conjurers use Umbral magic. 3 of the 6 spells they have are Umbral. And White/Black mages have no relation to the words spirit and phantom.
You are just trying to pull a fast one because the average person doesn't understand how Black Mage and White Mages relate to your quotations, which, if it's unclear to anyone, is none whatsoever.
If you want to see real information on Black Mages, visit:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Black_magic
and for White Mages:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/White_magic
Dude007, I ask you to admit that you have posted misleading information in your OP and correct it accordingly. -
11-11-2011, 06:11 AMRemVyeI guess you're not including your own...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neptune
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11-11-2011, 06:12 AMNeptuneIn my opinion that was very well written. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
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11-11-2011, 06:15 AMRemVyeWell I think the OP is well written...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neptune
It's straight facts, not sure how it's misleading.
The main point being:
Death associates with Evil associates with Dark associates with THM
Life associates with Good associates with White (purity / light) associates with CON...
What's to be confused about... at this point I'm convinced you're all trolling -
11-11-2011, 06:18 AMDuuude007Neptune, I ask you to admit that you have not read (or fully understood) the entire original post, which details that the only TP moves each has show the umbral and astral contrast, which is entirely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neptune
And I did not say that spirit and phantom are direct representatives of White and black, however the references do historically have a lighter and darker connotation, respectively. SE has provided backgrounds to both jobs based on the quotes, the official site, and even character creation, which are distinct and leave few shades of gray.
Fun Fact: in FFXIII, the battle paradigm "Thaumaturge" is represented by a party of 3 comprised of 2 Ravagers (Nukers) and 1 Medic (Healer). Not very dissimilar from the current THM of FFXIV. Elements of hybridism, while to date (to my knowledge) the only class anyone has used to successfully solo Dodore, Buffalo or Goblin NM's.