Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

He doesn't win anything because the JP DF exists as an example of what the DF can be. That's what people are asking for.

Edit: Whoops, I think I'm totally wrong on this one!

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

This thread has too many elitists and the idea itself is spiteful and arrogant. Truth is you already have PF for making groups of like minded people, people which are asked to have the same play style and where you set your own rules for joining/goals and requirements.

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Maybe the people who want slow runs with wipes should be the ones to make party finders to find people who want to play the same way. If you're going to play a video game with other people then putting effort in should be the default and bad gameplay shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

He doesn't win anything because the JP DF exists as an example of what the DF can be. That's what people are asking for.

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Play on a JP server then. What you want for DF is what you already have for PF in that you can create a group tailored to your needs and your specifications, your desired mentality, goals or gear/skill levels.

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Originally Posted by Launched

Maybe the people who want slow runs with wipes should be the ones to make party finders to find people who want to play the same way. If you're going to play a video game with other people then putting effort in should be the default and bad gameplay shouldn't.

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^ This. Topic end, discussion over.

This is how it used to be, for about a decade. Bad gameplay was shunned and people actually put in effort and improved, improving the overall game and community. What happened in the last few years to where it got to this point where bad gameplay is encouraged? It's a shame :/ I can bet you, if cross server instances didn't exist, people would most likely put in more effort since if they were terrible, they'd be excluded from content, so they'd actually have to put in effort if they wanted to play.

People who say we should play with like minded people and same skill level seem to refuse to do the same, which feels like they're hoping to get good players to carry them. They never seem to because if they had to play with people THEIR skill level, they'd eventually come crying to us and the forums when they can't progress. That's how we ended up with Steps of Nerf.

I kid you not, I've had a few A8 and other easy things where I feel I got paired up with 7 people who are lazy or got carried. No new person message yet theres times I'm the only one who knows the mechanics and such... Posted this in the DF topic and maybe this one as an example? I forgot. But Bismarck EX last night. Full pt of i220+. Didn't have the dps to kill snakes. That right there says it all.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Play on a JP server then. What you want for DF is what you already have for PF in that you can create a group tailored to your needs and your specifications, your desired mentality, goals or gear/skill levels.

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Should we have no expectations of the basic foundation of gameplay in DF, then? Should the lack of performance be a justifiable thing on DF? I don't think anyone wants that to be the case, let alone have DF content tuned so that its passable. It creates that severe gap in ski and eventually boredom

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Originally Posted by Launched

Maybe the people who want slow runs with wipes should be the ones to make party finders to find people who want to play the same way. If you're going to play a video game with other people then putting effort in should be the default and bad gameplay shouldn't.

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Unless someone is trolling, no one ever wants wipes or slower runs beyond what the team is capable of handling or being considerate to new players watching cutscenes. But we already have in this game a PF system which allows elitist jerks and/or people who are higher skilled but not elitist to form groups of like minded, equally skilled people. If do not like the fact DF in NA and EU servers is used for new players and has a large variation in skill levels plus hate using PF to do what I just suggested then play on a JP server if prefer their method.

I mean why should DPS even try if you only need a Tank and a Healer to carry your asses around anyway.

Hell you can even go into Mhach as a Tank as PLD or WAR and probably solo the last boss no problem. Go as DRK though...I'll need that healer. I mean after orbs you can beat it no prob.

It's only in Extreme fights where everyone needs to do their job.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

But we already have in this game a PF system which allows elitist jerks and/or people who are higher skilled but not elitist to form groups of like minded, equally skilled people.

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But PF doesn't guarantee you'll get equally skilled people. Don't forget, there's people who claim they know all phases of a fight or say "farm party" but actually have no clue what to do and just joined / made the PF hoping people would carry them. Instead of going out of our way to find people of average skill or higher, should we not try to improve the minimum skill level of the playerbase instead?

Which of these options sounds better to you? Spending 30 mins - hours+ to get into something, only to find out everyone is utter crap and you just wasted that time getting in or having a playerbase with a higher minimum skill level, so when you get into something, theres less than a 5% chance of the pt being utter crap so you can actually clear it?

@snuggle

Keep your replies in the context then, because that's what the majority of advocating for. No one is expecting perfect play or high performance, but rather the bare understanding of something that the game gives you as early as level 15, as well as the consideration for your party. When you're giving the replies you are against that context, it really feels like you are justifying that sort of play and telling us to shove off with our apparently elitist expectations.