Self-Destructing Community?

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Guides are up within hours of new content going live, if not by the next day. So, if you aren't there on release day, take the time to look it up. That's where the explosion comes from, cause honestly.. alot of us are tired of doing the research ourselves and then expected to hand hold lazy people who don't want to "spoil the fight."

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Some people like to play content blind during launch week, it can be fun. You should try it sometime ya scrub.

Anyone raging at people for not looking up guides or fully understanding the mechanics within the first week of NEW content deserves to be banned for a week so they have time to think about their behavior. These people are the very incarnation of elitist trash.


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Originally Posted by Dorander

Guides are up within hours of new content going live, if not by the next day. So, if you aren't there on release day, take the time to look it up. That's where the explosion comes from, cause honestly.. alot of us are tired of doing the research ourselves and then expected to hand hold lazy people who don't want to "spoil the fight."

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REALLY?!?


All I have to say to you sir is that on week 1 if you are already that sick of teaching people new to that duty or being with people who want to figure it out on their own GTFO of DF and get a premade of friends together (assuming you have any) so you can spam it with no problems!

My only gripe is with people that go in blind and expect me to write an essay about the mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Is it really this bad on American servers? Here on the EU servers 99% of the people I meet are friendly towards newcomers and don't mind when people enter content blind on DF. I do everything blind myself and the only time I got a "really?" was when I queued up blind... for T13. Most of the problems I hear about regarding the mentor system seem to be way smaller here too. OP, if you want to play the game this way, you can always consider changing servers to avoid terrible people like this Dorander guy.

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Despite what some posts on this forum and others may lead you to believe, this type of behavior is far from the norm. Personally, I've found that for every one !@#% you encounter, there will be at least 10 helpful people. We just tend to remember the bad experiences more vividly than the positive ones.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph

Anyone raging at people for not looking up guides or fully understanding the mechanics within the first week of NEW content deserves to be banned for a week so they have time to think about their behavior. These people are the very incarnation of elitist trash.


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All I have to say to you sir is that on week 1 if you are already that sick of teaching people new to that duty or being with people who want to figure it out on their own GTFO of DF and get a premade of friends together (assuming you have any) so you can spam it with no problems!

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Fully agree with this. If you already are fed up with people not knowing what they're doing on week one you should just stick to DF. PF would frankly be better off without you.

Going in blind is one thing, but when there's no attempt at communication or people can't even apply the basic stuff they were taught/shown enough from older content then that's when I get annoyed. For example:

- See adds spawn? How about killing those instead of just ignoring them. You're taught this in practically every dungeon with this mechanic.
- The boss is putting damage-up stacks on the MT? How about doing a Tank swap. You're taught this in A3
- See a group of arrows pointing at a character? How about stacking with the group to take the damage. You're taught this in Thordan and VA.
- Noticed the same enemies you faced before come back in another fight? How about seeing if the same mechanics you did then are what you have to do now, instead of running around as if you've never seen them before.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I've found that if someones new and that they actually speak up and ask for help, they get it. Every time.
I've found that if someones new and they don't ask for help, the expectation is that they know what's coming.

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This. When people are new to some content and don't say a word about it because they expect to "wing it", thats when it can annoy people who already know the fhe instance, and its understandable.
You have two options.
1. Make a blind training party on PF.
2. Go on DF. But, by doing so you agree to let the others know you're new and that you will both ask for advices on what is coming and follow them, weither it will spoil the fights for you or not.

As i said going on a new instance through DF and not warning others and potentially waste experienced people's times simply because you didn't want to spoil the fight is selfish.

Im a very patient guy, but if you do keep failing because you didnt ask or follow my advices i for sure will rage at you.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Yeah, the most ironic part is that those with the "mentor" mark were/ are very rude based on my experience in Midas Normal. It goes to show that people simply wanted that crown next to their name

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so true. the only polite, helpful mentors I've met so far are the two in my FC. Random mentors are mostly elitist jerks looking for the roulette bonus, sadly. :/

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

Going in blind is one thing, but when there's no attempt at communication or people can't even apply the basic stuff they were taught/shown enough from older content then that's when I get annoyed. For example:

- See adds spawn? How about killing those instead of just ignoring them. You're taught this in practically every dungeon with this mechanic.
- The boss is putting damage-up stacks on the MT? How about doing a Tank swap. You're taught this in A3
- See a group of arrows pointing at a character? How about stacking with the group to take the damage. You're taught this in Thordan and VA.
- Noticed the same enemies you faced before come back in another fight? How about seeing if the same mechanics you did then are what you have to do now, instead of running around as if you've never seen them before.

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I love going in blind, but I also say I am new here. And almost fully agree with everything you said. To be fair there are plenty of cases where that arrow is pointing down on someone, and we need to scatter AWAY from them as well. Some fights have both determined by the color of that arrow.

I don't expect an essay or details on stuff that I should know. So far I haven't seen (I know I haven't seen everything yet) where if a tile glows, we need to step ON it. So far I haven't seen a ground aoe coming from an enemy where we need to step IN it (NPCs or objects that drop a shield aoe is different). But it is just like you said, the basic stuff that is the same and you should already know. Oh that vary strange never before seen minotaur looking dude is doing a 1-handed tonz attack? Oh I have seen a number of bosses use that, I better not keep standing in front. Oh now he is holding with both hands? I better run away then. Just common sense.

I've explained the mechanics to so many new people in the midas fight. But holy hell enrage at 40%? Sorry blaming it on dps who either dies too much or doesn't even use propper dps rotations.