POLL: Best healer for 4 mans?

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

Shhh. People are trying hard on "casual" content here. Don't try to inject sanity.

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Yes, how dare people try to maximize efficiency on content! How dare they.

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

SCH is weak with AoE but is great with single target.
WHM is undoubtedly the strongest when it comes to AoE damage.
AST comes close to WHM but also has its cards to buff people who are AoEing.

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SCH is the only one of the three who can do consistently high AoE dps throughout a dungeon without mana issues. WHM has the highest burst AoE, sure, but it peters off quick and they're forced into a situation of low Mana, even with Assize and Shroud, because of how much MP Holy drains.

WHM has the highest single-target dps of all three healers
SCH is easily the king of AoE with any pull that's less than ~5 or so, due to Bane's diminishing returns, and very rarely do you run into many pulls in the current dungeons that exceed that threshold.

I haven't played AST, so no comment, though when my friend plays it and feeds me Balance+Arrow, things die real good, so that makes it so maybe they're good? But uh, 15% of my dps is still less than half what either other healer could bring to the field, instead, and Gravity costs the same as Holy while doing the same damage, but AST lacks A3, Assize, and ~7s of constant party stun. Their stun is nice, but on a cooldown and not as long.


I'm torn between SCH and WHM. WHM is way easier (pop hots, dps!) while SCH is really beholden to how well the tank rotates CDs, since a tank who uses them is invincible with a Fairy, but one who doesn't will die real quick without shields. I alternate, but I lean toward SCH, since I like the class more, even though I think WHM does it all the most efficiently (if you know what you're doing and properly manage MP)

Depends on the level of the 4man's. Lowbie dungeons sch is my favorite, you can stay in cleric while Eos covers all the healing and you dps or just put /follow on the tank and go watch some tv, possibly make a snack, or go read that book you've been wanting to catch up on.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly the answer is whatever job you're comfortable with.

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That's not how it works sadly. Certain jobs will always be better at certain things.

This game is fairly balanced in 8 man content and that's great, but 4 mans it tends to lean to one side or another.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

That's not how it works sadly. Certain jobs will always be better at certain things.

This game is fairly balanced in 8 man content and that's great, but 4 mans it tends to lean to one side or another.

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Maybe you misunderstand. When I say whatever you are comfortable with I mean which ever you won't wipe if tanks decides to pull than he should..

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Maybe you misunderstand. When I say whatever you are comfortable with I mean which ever you won't wipe if tanks decides to pull than he should..

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Ah, that's not at all what this topic is about though. :P

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

That's not how it works sadly. Certain jobs will always be better at certain things.

This game is fairly balanced in 8 man content and that's great, but 4 mans it tends to lean to one side or another.

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I do not think 4 man dungeons are high enough in difficulty that it really matters what healer you use. All the healers can dps and heal the dungeons without mana issues so I do not think it matters which you choose as long as you like the job.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Ah, that's not at all what this topic is about though. :P

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Heh, but wipes are anti-productive to speed runs =P

WHM hands down has the best aoe DPS and has the highest burst. Assize is just ridiculous with it's 300 potency to everything within 15 yalms. Don't get me wrong, I love the other healers and they're fun and unique in their own way but let's not forget the topic question. The question is not what your favorite healer is, etc. it's "Best healer for 4 mans".

Here's a few examples:
*The 1st boss in Nevereap, just stand in the middle and use Assize when the 3rd wave of feathers come out and they're gone in a second. In a second and 4 adds are down.
*Last boss in Fractal, stand between all the adds, Assize, now they're 1 hit away from getting destroyed(or if you're lucky and get a crit it'll destroy 'em).
*2nd boss in Arboretum, Assize in the middle of adds, Swiftcast+Holy the rest, done.

WHM's shouldn't be having MP issues if you're using Shroud of Saints and Assize at the right time either not to mention Divine Seal+Regen and Asylum is great for sustaining the tank and Tetragrammaton is a free big heal available every pull. Let's not forget Benediction and how it can be used in Cleric's Stance with no penalty. Divine Seal+Regen is amazing and should be used every pull but I always see so many WHM's out there that never use Divine Seal at all.

Again, I'm not bashing the other healers by any means, just answering the topic question.

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

Meaning warrior could spam few overpowers and get few CD's ready before WHM commences Holy spam -> no dmg to tank + HoT's getting him up to/close to full HP, during that warrior goes deliverance + berserk + bloodbath + have gotten initial 5 stacks -> more over power spam + 2x decimiates + HoTs running on warrior -> even more dps time for whm. Add in some Equilibrium and Second Wind during berserk.

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Related note: I DETEST when WHM does this, mostly because I tank as DRK. So, I've just drained all my mana on agro abilities, popped on Blood Price, then the WHM starts spamming Holy and I regain zero mana for the next pull.

To answer the original question, I find that a SCH that does DPS the dungeon makes the runs, generally, the fastest, and I would give that one my vote.